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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Stein in recent episodes of the

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power cast I mentioned that Brad Steiger

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was quite ill and later that he had gone

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into unfortunately sadly a hospice I

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learned from Tim Beckley then on Sunday

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Brad stager died just past the age of 82

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and we all know Brent staggers somebody

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who was an extremely prolific author

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upon the strange and unknown going back

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I guess to the 1960s in fact I think I

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was in high school and this mirror is

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what someone else on the show is about

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to say I think I was in high school when

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I first read one of his books and there

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were so many about UFOs but his were

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well written on fascinating information

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and just seemed to be like a torrent of

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books with a name Brad Steiger on them

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one after another with a lot of

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different topics not just UFOs he wrote

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books on ghosts mysterious creatures and

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so on and so forth now when we put

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together the power cast in the early

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part of 2006 we selected two people to

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be the original guests the first guests

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on the show one was Jim Mosely in the

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other was Brad stager and in talking

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with Brad we told him that we were going

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to come up with a name for the show we

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were working on some titles and the one

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we mentioned was power cast world and

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Brad said no no why don't you use the

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power cast and here we are both years

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later now I've invited people who were

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heavily influenced before very closely

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associated with Brad Steiger being

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colleagues friends over the years and we

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can get more insights on this unique

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personality who wrote so many books and

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I'll take our guests alphabetically

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Jerome Clarke of course we know him from

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the UFO encyclopedia

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there's a new addition that he's

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finishing shortly he'll tell us about

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that Don Ecker once with UFO magazine

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now with the dark matters radio show for

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Kevin D Randle also a very prolific

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author who's written what three or four

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hundred books Kevin I think it's closer

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to about two thousand and that's

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yesterday yeah that was this week that

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sounds like calc or no I the numbers

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somewhere around a hundred and

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twenty-five I think 125 you getting up

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there I'm working on it

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Isaac asked him off did 150 or 175 if

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you count the books that he edited and

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co-authored and things like that it was

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something over 400 whoa and there's a

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romance writer who did 700 books well

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the guy who wrote the novels under the

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title the shadow Walter B Gibson who

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wrote most of them under the name I

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think Maxwell grant he wrote 300 novels

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about the shadow

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well the shadow knows hahaha Evan

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yes you wrote of little virtually about

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Brent's Tiger on your blog and you I

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guess became acquainted with his

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writings around the same time I did can

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you tell us more I also was in high

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school I remember reading strangers in

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the sky sitting in a study hall one day

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and and as I said in the blog I didn't

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didn't really spark my interest in UFOs

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but it certainly solidified it in some

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fashion and inspired me to do more with

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my my research into UFOs which is

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expanded exponentially from them and I

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think some of the discussions I had with

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Brad about UFOs and the paranormal also

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helped kind of guide me into some of the

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lanes that I have uh selected during my

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writing how'd you come to first meet him

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I think I've told the story many many

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times and people may be getting a little

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tired of it but when I was in college at

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I had a friend whose family owned the

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baskin-robbins store and we would go to

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the back of the store to study and he

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told me that he had a friend they were

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from Clinton Iowa he had a friend named

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Warren Smith who wrote UFO books and

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Warren Smith knew and inbreds Tiger

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actually collaborated on any number of

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other guy Brad Stigers really name was

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Decorah Iowa at the Luther College and I

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the strange disappearances like Oliver

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lurch and those sorts of things and

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published in one of his books about a

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kid in Wales who had vanished in

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circumstances similar to those of Oliver

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that he lived in Decorah Iowa I called

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directory assistance and asked for

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Eugene Olsen's phone number when they

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gave it to me this is for your audio

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source out there sis's before we had the

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internet and Google and all of that

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stuff you had to call directory

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assistance and I called him very cordial

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on the phone told him what I was working

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on while we go any so don't use that

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story it's a hoax I found out it was a

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hoax and that was kind of our beginnings

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was that conversation I talked to him

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decades later in about that and asked

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him if he remember so I remember that

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very clearly anyway I guess he was kind

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of excited that someone from Iowa had

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called him to talk about UFOs of the

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paranormal but that kind of grew from

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from that phone conversation only

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because I knew his real name at the time

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I say real name at the time it was

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Eugene Olson he legally changed it to

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adopt pseudonyms because it makes it

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work it makes it easier to cope with all

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the paperwork and to talk to people who

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are members of your family and friends

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but also people from the public why some

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students only because of the publisher

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frequently and didn't want to have them

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competing with each other on the

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newsstand so I wrote under the

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McKenzie and Kat Brannigan to know I did

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not pick

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named cat Brannigan the publisher picked

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it but you know that I think there's all

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kinds of reasons people pick pseudonyms

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and IO with Brad Steiger he was an

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admirer of the actor Rod Steiger so he

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picked a name that could reflected his

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what was your general impression of Brad

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which was he was going to believe what

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people told him until he found a reason

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not to and I thought as more of an

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investigative journalist and then Brad

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he did he was comfortable with what he

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would believe what people would tell him

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until he learned we're in the truth many

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tell you tell the truth and I think it

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fabricating much of what they were

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telling us I think Brad my impression

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lenient than Don Ecker Jerry Clark er I

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witnesses and I kind of liked that

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attitude but I saw my job as requiring

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me to be a little bit more aggressive in

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verifying the information than Brad

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helicopter case you know the army

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the various witnesses that were involved

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all of that but yesterday I had an

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members and I know let's talk about that

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in my next segment that's good to follow

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up on this because you've been doing a

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cases and trying to give them that

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we've got Don Kevin Jerry you're in the

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Jerry next and you were talking about

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looking at some of the older cases like

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the coin case and you talked to somebody

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yesterday about it I talked to one of

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the crew members yesterday afternoon

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about it but but but the point is not

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that they done that but I had all the

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documentation I just wanted to get the

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guy's own words and I think Brad often

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would take the documentation and run

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with it without verifying the words and

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what I verified yesterday was exactly

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what was in the documents but I always

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think it was taking an extra step the

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Brad sometimes didn't take and I think

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that you know I admired the way he did

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his job as he saw it and I kind of

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wished I could do the same thing but he

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never felt I could and it's not a

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criticism of Brad as an admiration for

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the way he actually conducted his

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business

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Jerry how did you first come in touch

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with Brett stager I've read the book

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which Kevin mentioned several minutes

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ago of strangers of the skies which was

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the first time I encountered the name

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Brad stager was the book was published

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in 1966 and I reviewed it not very

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favorably for faith magazine that's how

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I heard from Brad and he was actually

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quite nice about it I wrote back to him

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if someone's nice to me I'll be nice to

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that person so and he was just such a

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gracious guy you know he was all the

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things that kevin says I think I quite

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insightful I think that he mostly

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thought of himself as a storyteller I

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like to tell stories and he was a he was

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a good writer and he told them well you

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know I didn't know him all that well

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personally I met him several

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each time under happy circumstances that

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had just great time with him but you

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know I think Kevin I probably have

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harder edges around us and are more

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skeptical and I think that Brad

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privately wasn't any kind of foolish

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gullible doofus but as Kevin said he

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just tended to take things you know he

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tended to trust people on some level and

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I think that generally you know Brad had

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a kind of more positive eye you could

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call it New Age not that really stupid

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in the New Age but just generally a more

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kind of optimistic personality and so he

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was dealing with these materials

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differently from the way that Kevin and

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I have dealt with them even though we're

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all Midwestern guys that Midwestern

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personalities my experiences with Brad

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were nothing but happy and he was the

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guy who made it possible for me to be a

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writer and never make any sizable amount

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of money he well I wanted to publish my

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first book he told his agent his New

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York agent and we got the first book put

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up which I wrote Loren Coleman published

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the unidentified in 1975 and so Brad was

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the guy who got me started into whom I

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owe everything and so I when he died it

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make me person said I know it's a

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magazine you were what an associate

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editor or something no I started working

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for Faden I think in 1970 and then I

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moved back to Minnesota and then I came

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back to fate in 1976 and worked there

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until it was sold which wasn't I left at

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the end of February 99 so I had two hits

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at fate magazine the first between 1771

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but I just think that that Brad was a

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guy who was able to ride the wave and

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what happened was that in the mid-60s

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suddenly was you know revival of it

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and now I'm Lisa paranormal occultism

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and Brad annoys me Anderson those things

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and I think that he saw this as an

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opportunity to to write about what he

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wanted to write about live the kind of

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life you want to live but that's what he

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did he and he was successful he had many

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friends God knows how many books he

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wrote 7170 okay and I don't know how I

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don't know how guys write like that I've

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been at this all my life and I've

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written just maybe 20 25 books I can't

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even count and but Brad chesty was

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sounds by the way like Nick Redfern

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where every single day he would continue

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to work on a book yeah yeah maybe maybe

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Redfern is kind of the next red spider

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but I don't think anybody's going to

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replace Brad

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what should we as people who follow the

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literature or the investigation of the

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world in paranormal what should we take

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away from Brad Steiger that's a good

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question because I think of Brad I

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didn't I I don't think I read one of his

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books after about 1980 and so I didn't

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read Brad I knew what was in Brad's

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books but my own thinking my own

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approach had really gone in very

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different directions so I thought always

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a bread is a guy I really like and I

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wish that I would see more often and

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when we would get together we could talk

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and Brad and I when we talked personally

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we're talking pretty much alike seeing

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many of the things the same way but I

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didn't see that reflected so much in his

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books which I think were for an audience

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of people who generally weren't too

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critical minded but enjoyed the good

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stories and bye and I think you've been

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at this long enough most of us kind of

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lose interest in the stories but were

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interested in

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is Patterson theories and ways of making

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sense of things and we get tired of

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telling the stories and I think Brad

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never tired of telling the stories which

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is which is a good thing

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storytelling is a good thing do you

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think that works better with people who

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were someone new to these subjects yes

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or there are some people like I remember

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the late blue fairies Blue Fairy hated

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the idea that people were making

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theories out of these things and he just

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wanted to hear the stories the cases he

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never tired of that but to me and I

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think Kevin than done I think this is

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true I'm not speaking for you guys but

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generally as the thinkers as people who

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try to see patterns and things and make

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sense of things

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eventually we're drawn to hypothesis

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making how does this little item fit in

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and the larger picture and really that

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becomes what you're interested at a

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certain point if you're thinking hard

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about these things

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I think rad thought about them it just

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wasn't so much reflected in what he

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wrote Donecker under what circumstances

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did you encounter brides tiger or his

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work I first encountered Brad back in

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the very late 1980s or the beginning of

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1990 now at that time I was the director

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of research for UFO magazine and I of

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course was very familiar with a lot of

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the work that that Brad and his wife

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Sherry had put out let's do a break here

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and we'll continue with Donecker we have

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Don Ecker we have Kevin Randall's Jerome

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Clark um Jean Steinberg during the para

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cast

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio we have Don Ecker Jean

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Steinberg Jerome Clark and Kevin D

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Randle doing an observance of the life

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of rice tiger who passed when the 6th of

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May and Donna Kerr was telling us how he

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first came in touch with him while he

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was working on UFO magazine Don continue

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are you sure yes sir okay I first

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encountered Brad Steiger back in the

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very late 1980s or 1990s a director of

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research for UFO magazine now in full

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disclosure I never knew Brad stager very

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well at all

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mostly I knew him by reputation and by

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his printed work and also in full

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disclosure I've got to say that back in

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those days I was a very hard-edged

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researcher back in those days I had come

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from the field of law enforcement and I

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was primarily concerned with the facts

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of a situation now Kevin at the

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beginning of this show wrapped up his

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feelings and my feelings and Jerry's on

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this in a superb way I was not totally

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enraptured by the way Brad presented his

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work he loved a good story

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and let's face it a good story is a lot

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of fun but at that time I looked at this

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in an entirely different light I was in

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it to try to crack through to find out

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what in the world was behind the

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phenomenon of unidentified flying

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objects now I also have to say that Brad

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although he was a well-known paranormal

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researcher was was never considered one

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of the top UFO researchers so a lot of

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the work that Brad did I gave quite

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honestly short shrift - now that's not

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to say that I didn't like like him or or

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his work and that I didn't enjoy a good

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story but the fact of the matter was

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when it came to the thing that I was

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primarily interested in which was

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researching the UFO topic

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I didn't didn't think that I was going

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to hold Brad and in real high regard in

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that aspect of the phenomenon well he

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did write a lot of material about UFOs

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he's it that he had so much else going

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on that maybe you didn't pay as much

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attention and because of the fact that

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he always emphasized the good story I

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don't know if that was it or not back in

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those days you will have to remember and

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perhaps you didn't know this I don't

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know but I had a series of investigative

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articles that I ran for a number of

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years in UFO magazine called the

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whistleblowers and in that series of

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articles I examined the claims of a lot

669
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of very very fringe people in the field

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people like Milton William Cooper people

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like guy Kirkwood aka a null Bryce

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Cornwall and a number of other pseudo

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mens people like George Green and I was

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I was interested in cutting through the

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noise to get to the meat of the subject

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Brad just kind of slipped for a long

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time I guess under my radar because

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he wasn't doing anything in any way

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offensive anybody but I was primarily

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interested in getting to the meat of the

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subject there were a lot of cases going

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on then there was the Roswell case of

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course which had taken on a life of its

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own there were the abduction phenomenon

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that for years ended up being the tail

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that wagged the dog there were military

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cases that were beginning to break

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through there were cases like the sts-48

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shuttle the Phobos one and two Mars

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Union so there were a lot of things that

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I was involved in and quite honestly

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Brad I probably would be honest if I

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said I didn't give him a heck of a lot

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of thought then that's fair enough

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that's fair enough

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to focus on on one particular thing what

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about you Jerry what are your feelings

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about what Don said that I had this

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personal connection with Brad so Brad

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there's always part of my life and he

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was always somebody that I really liked

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and respected even though we were doing

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things quite differently but one thing I

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admired about Brad and sometimes I would

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see some kind of snarky comment about it

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like you know he was just in it for the

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money and he didn't care so I know Brad

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was entirely honest he was just a good

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honest Midwestern er it just reminded me

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of the people that I grew up with and to

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then even now live around he just had

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this ethos in his personal life that I

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00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:07,090
recognized both of us were raised this

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lutherans small Midwestern town and in

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some ways had outgrown those towns but

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in other ways remained attached not to

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them that later in our lives we came

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back to live in those towns that we grew

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up they in that culture you know it

721
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even though we weren't there not

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entirely part of it this shape this

723
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enough that we feel reasonably

724
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comfortable here and and Brad was really

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happy for me when I moved back to small

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town nestled because he had longed for

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much of his professional life to be able

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to move back to small-town Iowa which he

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did so we had that in common

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and we had just the kind of you know a

731
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common upper Midwestern experience and I

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think that was part of the type between

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us that even if we had both been

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interested the families and paranormal

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things like that we still was got long

736
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as we were bright guys who came from the

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same place now when I saw Brad lecture

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in Arizona during one of Tim Beckley's

739
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conventions his presentation came up

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very much like a country preacher what

741
00:34:31,099 --> 00:34:28,200
was your impression yeah I think that

742
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that's fair not one of the evangelical

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groups but like a kind of mainstream you

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know Protestant denominations like I

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grew up in and it's a shape you know I'm

746
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I'm not religious anymore and I don't

747
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:47,460
don't fit bad without Brad to find

748
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himself religiously but that kind of

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morality that kind of general sort of

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progressive outlook on the world by you

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know our Lutheran experience and so we

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just talked the same language just not

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00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:07,260
only about weird stuff but just

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generally have been shared a broad

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cultural outlook it's kind of hard to

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describe unless you grew up in but you

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00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:20,190
know we were both small-town bookie kids

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00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:23,400
we're really curious about the larger

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world and eager to go out into it and

760
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:30,270
and we went into it at many interesting

761
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,849
experiences learned a lot but then at

762
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:35,400
the end of it we wanted to go home and

763
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:38,880
we both went home let's look at this

764
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:40,890
no similar add to a different attitude

765
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:43,980
from Kevin Randall how would you

766
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:45,960
approach your friendship with Brad

767
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:50,369
Snyder just one researcher to another

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00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:54,000
was someone who is a friend and a

769
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:55,950
colleague and that sort of thing I know

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00:36:01,519 --> 00:35:57,660
when I was doing my radio show on Katie

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00:36:04,309 --> 00:36:01,529
SM radio and El Paso I could count on I

772
00:36:06,319 --> 00:36:04,319
could count on Brad if I needed a guest

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00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,329
he was always ready to help me out with

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that or provide the names and phone

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numbers and addresses or how to contact

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our people to be on the way on the

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program as well

778
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I just always looked at him as a

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colleague and a friend who was

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interested in the same things that I was

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interested in although his interest is

782
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were delved into the last step acts of

783
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:28,259
the paranormal that didn't particularly

784
00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:30,990
interest me let's do our break here

785
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:33,329
we'll continue with Kevin Randall Don

786
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Ecker

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Jerry Clark you're in the para cast

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hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

893
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standard of paranormal radio I don't

894
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know if Ken Randall wants to do that or

895
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:19,170
not he'll get down here with the boys

896
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and go there so researcher to researcher

897
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:24,859
with me I looked at Brad Stigers an

898
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acquaintance not a close friend because

899
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,540
we only met a few times but we wrote

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back and forth and cover different

901
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:34,650
aspects and times where I needed more

902
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,450
information he was always a ready

903
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:39,359
resource do I agree with the general

904
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:41,510
tenure here is that he presented

905
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,550
wonderful stories a lot of times good

906
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starting points I think and maybe you

907
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folks can correct me if you think I'm

908
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:50,730
taking the wrong approach here but you

909
00:41:54,859 --> 00:41:53,310
find interesting story that may be up

910
00:41:57,980 --> 00:41:54,869
your line and the things you're doing

911
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:57,990
and then from that you can go ahead and

912
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:01,500
look at that story further try to verify

913
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:04,859
it or find holes in it what do you think

914
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:07,859
I think you've kind of got it when I

915
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:10,650
talked to Brad about cases he would give

916
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,390
me all the information that he had about

917
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:15,660
it he employed and employed maybe too

918
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,329
strong of a term but he had friends like

919
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
Glenn McQuaid who lived in Iowa City

920
00:42:24,859 --> 00:42:22,319
that when he wanted additional

921
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information he would contact Glenn to do

922
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some of the harder research for him so

923
00:42:31,579 --> 00:42:28,740
yeah I didn't want to give the

924
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:31,589
impression upfront that Brad would just

925
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listen to the story and that would be

926
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,290
the end of it because I know there were

927
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:37,680
cases one of them here in Iowa in 1969

928
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:41,339
where two young girls teenage girls saw

929
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,079
an object that hovered over a bean field

930
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,260
and caused damage to the beans and Brad

931
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,660
asked Glenn McQuaid to gather soil

932
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:50,640
samples and Glenda Quaid was able to

933
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,890
have those sorts of things of analyzed

934
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:54,599
so he didn't just sit there in his

935
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:56,910
armchair looking at this he did take it

936
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:00,630
to other dimensions based on what was

937
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,380
available for him to to explore so you

938
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:06,720
know he did his he did his homework and

939
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,790
I I you know don't want to give the

940
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:10,410
impression that he was just willy-nilly

941
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:11,849
about this sort of thing because he

942
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:13,270
didn't care about getting the facts

943
00:43:18,810 --> 00:43:16,530
right it was just that his I guess

944
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:18,820
impression of the human race or the

945
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:22,420
goodness of the human race was that most

946
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:23,980
people would be honest and what he told

947
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:26,080
him in and he would accept those sorts

948
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:27,940
of things until he found out otherwise

949
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:29,890
and I think he was always disappointed

950
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:31,510
when he learned that somebody had not

951
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,270
been as honest as they could be but he

952
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,160
did his he did his homework he did his

953
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,800
research when he could he did go out

954
00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:40,480
into the field to investigate he had

955
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:43,720
friends that he collaborated with on

956
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:45,160
some of these investigations so it

957
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:47,560
wasn't just sitting around looking for

958
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:49,860
the good stories but also verifying

959
00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:52,150
aspects of the good stories when he when

960
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:55,480
he was talking about the the girls in

961
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,950
the bean field he talked to the parents

962
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
he talked to the girls he had the

963
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:00,400
physical evidence analyzed and published

964
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,970
the information about that in his book I

965
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:06,400
know somebody in a OH

966
00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:09,070
kind of a review of a Brad Stigers work

967
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:10,660
and said well he you know he's lying

968
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:12,550
about the pseudoscience and I never got

969
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:13,900
the impression he was lying about

970
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:16,330
anything he would report what he

971
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believed to be the truth it may not have

972
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:20,650
been grounded in reality we've all been

973
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:22,690
caught in that well we believe something

974
00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:26,890
that turned out not to be true but he he

975
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:28,300
would not publish anything that he

976
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:30,010
didn't believe to be the truth and he

977
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:31,600
could be wrong and we've all been wrong

978
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:33,700
on those sorts of things so I think that

979
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:35,080
you know that's an important point to

980
00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:37,000
make he got us all interested in the

981
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:38,920
topic or kept us interested in the topic

982
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,560
and he helped us when he could or when

983
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:43,900
we asked for that help I know that he

984
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:45,700
called me a couple of times and asked me

985
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:48,910
for help on things where my expertise

986
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:51,700
was needed and I was always more than

987
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:53,290
happy to do that and I kind of took that

988
00:44:58,830 --> 00:44:56,140
away from him as well that if people

989
00:45:00,600 --> 00:44:58,840
contact me about UFO cases or things

990
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:00,610
like that I try to provide the

991
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:02,980
assistance when I can and Brad was

992
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:04,870
always willing to provide the assistance

993
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:06,370
whenever I talked to him about it I

994
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:07,450
think that's an important thing to

995
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:10,150
remember Jerry never comment yeah I

996
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:12,280
think that's exactly right I think that

997
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:15,010
Brad didn't have a dishonest bone in his

998
00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:17,980
body and he was a generous and kind man

999
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:20,950
I don't think he had very many enemies

1000
00:45:26,850 --> 00:45:24,310
it's pretty hard to go through life and

1001
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:26,860
not you know have occupied some

1002
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:30,370
space in public attention as Brad did as

1003
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,130
Kevin doesn't you know all of us who

1004
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:35,920
write our names are also we all have

1005
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,720
people looking at us and paying

1006
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:40,720
attention to us and whether we want to

1007
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:43,810
or not we end up making enemies I think

1008
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:46,510
that Brad for all this is public

1009
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,210
visibility had remarkably few enemies

1010
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:52,920
you really had to go out of your way to

1011
00:45:59,580 --> 00:45:56,230
be an enemy of Prats Tiger and anybody

1012
00:46:02,850 --> 00:45:59,590
who says that he was lying if he truly

1013
00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:02,860
was dishonest that he was anything other

1014
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:07,480
than who he appeared to be is a fool or

1015
00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:10,750
a liar well I'd like to just append one

1016
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:13,360
thing to is if you go back and you pick

1017
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:15,070
a movie you like pick a book you like

1018
00:46:19,290 --> 00:46:17,110
read the reviews of it that you can now

1019
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,300
can find all over the internet and no

1020
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:21,280
matter how careful you've been in the

1021
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:22,990
book or what you've said in the book

1022
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:25,530
you're going to offend somebody some way

1023
00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:29,200
and and you you look at reviews of

1024
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:31,300
people of movies that people just love

1025
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,650
and you're always going to find the

1026
00:46:36,990 --> 00:46:34,000
negative reviews you're going to offend

1027
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:37,000
somebody some way and I don't think Brad

1028
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:39,550
ever ever attempted to do that offend

1029
00:46:44,610 --> 00:46:42,610
people but the process of writing the

1030
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:44,620
mere process of analyzing these stories

1031
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:47,110
sometimes created enemies where we live

1032
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:50,890
in an age today where a vast majority of

1033
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:53,860
many people go out of their way to be

1034
00:47:00,990 --> 00:46:57,010
offended and that's a very unfortunate

1035
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:01,000
part of our life and probably much of it

1036
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:04,870
has to do with social media Twitter and

1037
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:07,810
Facebook and you know Instagram I mean

1038
00:47:14,490 --> 00:47:10,600
you name it and you're going to find

1039
00:47:18,590 --> 00:47:14,500
people that that are offended and God

1040
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,600
help the poor slob that ventures ever

1041
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:22,000
into a political arena because that's

1042
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:25,030
that's the prime place to get offended

1043
00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:28,510
so as a result I myself try to stay out

1044
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:32,200
of those those areas I offend a lot of

1045
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:33,850
people by just getting up in the

1046
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:34,760
mornings

1047
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:38,000
you know there it is well welcome to the

1048
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:39,770
club I think there are a few people out

1049
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,810
there and we know who they are

1050
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:44,240
who would much prefer if I didn't get up

1051
00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:46,460
in the morning but you know that's how

1052
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:47,180
life is

1053
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,730
I have a question of all of you here in

1054
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:52,400
terms of Brad's Tiger since we're

1055
00:47:59,980 --> 00:47:56,890
looking at one a gentle kind man and

1056
00:48:02,620 --> 00:47:59,990
also somebody involved in this arena and

1057
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:02,630
sometimes maybe some of the cases could

1058
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:05,630
have been better investigated didn't any

1059
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:08,120
of you ever find and you can speak up if

1060
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:10,220
you want a case in one of his books

1061
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:11,630
where you looked at it and said you know

1062
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:14,570
this isn't it this isn't for real or

1063
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:15,860
there's something wrong with it

1064
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:19,550
I can I can tell you about one Brad I

1065
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:21,770
think of all the books at Brad wrote his

1066
00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:25,280
favorite was mysteries of time space and

1067
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:27,620
I've read that book when it came out was

1068
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:31,400
published I believe in 1974 and I really

1069
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:33,380
liked the book and I wrote a review with

1070
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:36,290
Minneapolis tributes of it and that

1071
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:39,290
quote from that review of Harrison all

1072
00:48:45,850 --> 00:48:42,110
subsequent editions of the book and it

1073
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:45,860
was it was reprinted several years ago I

1074
00:48:51,550 --> 00:48:48,350
think by Patrick wheesh I'm not certain

1075
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:51,560
nuts off the top of my head but I got a

1076
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:55,010
copy of the book you know look at this

1077
00:49:03,250 --> 00:48:57,290
book again because I haven't read it in

1078
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:03,260
decades and I was I found that it was

1079
00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:08,380
full of stuff that has not held up well

1080
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:11,360
including you know a lot of material and

1081
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:17,920
it's a book where Brad is trying to hide

1082
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:21,830
and kind of plastic it can be and I

1083
00:49:27,850 --> 00:49:23,990
agree with that as a general proposition

1084
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:27,860
I think that that reality probably is a

1085
00:49:35,110 --> 00:49:31,250
lot more plastic and elusive and elastic

1086
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:35,120
than we think it is but he was using

1087
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:37,550
stuff that's just like I remember the

1088
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,100
allende letters things like that that

1089
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:43,220
just you know allegedly mysterious

1090
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:47,640
archaeological artifacts that you know

1091
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:50,190
since been disproved or turned out to be

1092
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:51,900
something less radical at their

1093
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,390
implications and so there was a lot of

1094
00:50:00,860 --> 00:49:56,760
stuff in it that just didn't really

1095
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:00,870
stand up on the other hand you can say

1096
00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:02,520
the same there's a fair amount of that

1097
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:06,360
in for to hasn't stood up but it was

1098
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,920
kind of disappointing and but I knew

1099
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:13,440
that Brad wrote the book honestly and he

1100
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:15,870
met Adonis way it is an interesting book

1101
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,050
it's it's among the most interesting

1102
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:21,480
this book stories because it hangs

1103
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:24,090
together in a way a lot of don't it's

1104
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:26,630
kind of brought together by an

1105
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:30,900
overarching hypothesis and hypothesis

1106
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:33,240
itself may have some validity it's just

1107
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:35,550
that some of the data that he brought to

1108
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:39,330
bear are not that convincing well if I

1109
00:50:42,350 --> 00:50:40,950
can jump in real quick I'd like to say

1110
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,360
one thing I think we've all done this

1111
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:45,000
what we've written about a story or a

1112
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,730
case or something like that telling what

1113
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:49,260
we believed to be the truth at the time

1114
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:51,390
and later learning on that the facts as

1115
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:54,090
presented originally just don't hold up

1116
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,420
and so we were not being disingenuous at

1117
00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:59,700
the time we wrote it subsequent events

1118
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:02,040
have shown us what the truth really is

1119
00:51:05,570 --> 00:51:04,350
and I think that's what Brad got caught

1120
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:05,580
up and I was thinking the same thing

1121
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:06,930
about that book cuz there's a number of

1122
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:09,480
things in that book that didn't hang up

1123
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:11,370
he's got a picture of these two cigar

1124
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:13,500
shaped objects near Cedar Rapids Iowa

1125
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:18,180
and I I actually got copies of the

1126
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,650
pictures from the local newspaper the

1127
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:21,780
Cedar Rapids Gazette made some analysis

1128
00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:24,090
of them based on that let's talk about

1129
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:26,430
that analysis in our next segment with

1130
00:51:30,350 --> 00:51:27,270
Don Eckhart

1131
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Jerry Clark Kevin Randall you're in the

1132
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1133
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1138
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1139
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1140
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:04,960
after a terrible battle in outer space

1141
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1142
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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1143
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with a woman whose faraway planet is

1144
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intent on destroying the earth and now

1145
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1146
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1150
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1151
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1184
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1185
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[Applause]

1186
00:54:04,270 --> 00:53:59,970
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1187
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:04,280
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1188
00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:08,330
here's Jane Steinberg

1189
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:14,180
Kevin continued on that particular case

1190
00:54:18,110 --> 00:54:16,350
with the photograph yes so I had been

1191
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,120
looking at the photographs and later on

1192
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:21,420
I did some analysis about the the person

1193
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:22,860
who took him and discovered that he was

1194
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:26,820
a semi-professional photographer and he

1195
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:29,160
loved making up a photographic evidence

1196
00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:31,110
that wasn't there it's clearly what he'd

1197
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:31,560
done

1198
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:34,200
it's the photograph is faked I learned

1199
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,430
that later but I had published

1200
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,200
information about that suggesting that

1201
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,880
the public the photographs were you know

1202
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:40,260
and here's another example of

1203
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:42,330
cigar-shaped craft in the formation over

1204
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,250
Cedar Rapids Iowa I since learned that

1205
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:46,890
there probably faked and I think that

1206
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:50,480
that's the point when we write something

1207
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:52,800
and I'm gonna clue Don Ecker and Jerry

1208
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:54,360
Clark and that when we write something

1209
00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:56,010
we believe what we're writing to be the

1210
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:58,320
truth at that time we may later learn

1211
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:00,210
that it isn't accurate

1212
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:02,550
it's misinformation that we've gotten

1213
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,650
some bad information somewhere but when

1214
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:06,420
we first put it down on paper and we

1215
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:07,770
published that information we're giving

1216
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:09,900
you the best information available at

1217
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:14,820
that time I as a broadcaster having done

1218
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:17,850
it now for decades am on a number of

1219
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,730
lists where when a new book will come

1220
00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:23,760
out they will send me a copy with the

1221
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:26,340
hopes that I will get in touch to have

1222
00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:30,450
the author on my radio shows and a few

1223
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,350
years ago I received a book and I forget

1224
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:37,500
now who the publisher is it was one of

1225
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,770
Brad's books and I still have the book I

1226
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:43,440
haven't seen it while but it dealt with

1227
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:47,730
zombies and I think vampires and other

1228
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:51,330
creatures of the night now we all know

1229
00:55:59,810 --> 00:55:56,250
that at least at this point there are no

1230
00:56:04,040 --> 00:55:59,820
blood sucking vampires there are no

1231
00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:04,050
Walking Dead that I'm aware of now I

1232
00:56:12,590 --> 00:56:06,840
don't think Jerry or Kevin are aware of

1233
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:12,600
any examples baby yeah yeah but not

1234
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:16,380
actual examples and I basically I

1235
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,710
glanced through the book I didn't see

1236
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:22,260
anything that now I

1237
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:25,230
I'm an author that has written a novel

1238
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:28,920
about vampires it's a genre that I

1239
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,180
really did enjoy in the past and you

1240
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,520
know in a way it would be kind of

1241
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,640
exciting if there were such creatures

1242
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:41,520
maybe not if you ran into one but at any

1243
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:43,950
rate I looked at that book and I thought

1244
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:46,770
to myself at the time well Brad is a

1245
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:49,740
writer and what does a writer do a

1246
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:54,180
writer writes zombies were a huge part

1247
00:57:01,400 --> 00:56:58,410
of the popular American culture I mean

1248
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,410
good lord there are all kinds of films

1249
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:04,440
dealing with with zombies not to mention

1250
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:07,530
vampires and so on so I just kind of

1251
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:10,610
looked at it as kind of a harmless

1252
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:14,430
exercise in in the writing art and kind

1253
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:16,110
of let it go with that now is that

1254
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:17,910
something that I would have wanted to

1255
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:22,950
explore on on my show no but hey you've

1256
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,040
got to give that guy props by golly he

1257
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,040
was a writer not necessarily what I

1258
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:31,920
wanted to read but he was a writer you

1259
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,110
know one thing that Kevin and I had bred

1260
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,540
has in common is the same publisher who

1261
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:39,480
published that book my experience was

1262
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:41,190
that publishing company is nothing but

1263
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:44,040
happy they're honest people good people

1264
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:47,220
so I'm not knocking the publisher but at

1265
00:57:53,090 --> 00:57:48,780
one time I was talking with the

1266
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:53,100
publisher about a book project and he

1267
00:57:58,550 --> 00:57:55,770
absolutely insisted that the book that

1268
00:58:03,490 --> 00:57:58,560
we were talking about my writing include

1269
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:03,500
zombies and vampires and werewolves and

1270
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:08,370
I said to him in a play way that I have

1271
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:10,800
no interest in that subject I have no

1272
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:14,490
police in those things I have not even

1273
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,290
interested enough to write about them

1274
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:19,140
from a point of view of a folklore or

1275
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:22,470
legend and that was the last book that I

1276
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:25,110
didn't publish with that publishing

1277
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:27,990
house but I don't know if those things

1278
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,230
genuinely interests him or not but I

1279
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,720
think you make a good point on that that

1280
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:35,200
he will

1281
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:36,730
what you asked him to write within

1282
00:58:44,579 --> 00:58:40,089
reason and I just can't do that which

1283
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:44,589
may explain my bank account I think I

1284
00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:46,210
think Jerry you've made a point that I

1285
00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:48,280
was been trying to make and and the

1286
00:58:52,829 --> 00:58:50,740
difference is Brad was a writer but we

1287
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:52,839
sometimes see ourselves as investigators

1288
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:54,520
or researchers and there is a difference

1289
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:54,760
there

1290
00:58:58,829 --> 00:58:56,980
Brad was given an assignment to write a

1291
00:59:00,510 --> 00:58:58,839
book and he would gather the information

1292
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:00,520
to write the book as best he could about

1293
00:59:04,650 --> 00:59:02,710
it and we would look at those some of

1294
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:04,660
those those suggestions and say now I

1295
00:59:12,859 --> 00:59:07,270
just really don't want to do that yeah

1296
00:59:16,859 --> 00:59:12,869
yeah coincidentally Daniel Cohen died

1297
00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:16,869
the same day that Brad died and then

1298
00:59:23,819 --> 00:59:19,869
Cohen was a guy who is about as prolific

1299
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:23,829
as Brad fact his obit is in the New York

1300
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,170
Times today and Cohen is known besides

1301
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:32,079
his reputation as a writer as a guy

1302
00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:34,990
whose daughter was killed Lockerbie

1303
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:38,230
terrorist bombing you know back that

1304
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:43,510
believe that was the 1988 and anyway I

1305
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:46,089
knew Cohen and Cohen wrote a number of

1306
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:51,000
books weird stuff but but from a kind of

1307
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:56,050
genial skeptical distance but he was as

1308
01:00:00,900 --> 00:59:58,210
politicus Brad the New York Times said

1309
01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:00,910
that he published about 200 books before

1310
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:01,660
he died

1311
01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:04,329
and he and Brad were mining the same

1312
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:07,180
territory they also were they have this

1313
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:10,089
in common is that if you ask them to

1314
01:00:15,450 --> 01:00:12,790
write it they would write it and both of

1315
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:15,460
them wrote books on on a variety of

1316
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:20,770
subjects and you know Cohen who I used

1317
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:23,050
to know many years ago would write books

1318
01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:25,630
on dogs and kids and all kinds of things

1319
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:27,880
and then what he wasn't doing that he

1320
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:31,030
write a book about UFOs or monsters or

1321
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:35,470
something and you know some people can

1322
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:37,690
do that I can't do that and then neither

1323
01:00:44,099 --> 01:00:40,150
I think that can Kevyn Orr done it's

1324
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:44,109
just in the genes or something but if I

1325
01:00:49,019 --> 01:00:47,530
might interject a personal story here as

1326
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:49,029
I was attempting to become a

1327
01:00:53,699 --> 01:00:51,130
writer and had found an agent to work

1328
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:53,709
with me she called me one day while I

1329
01:00:58,799 --> 01:00:56,799
was work at a real job and said that she

1330
01:01:01,620 --> 01:00:58,809
had a publisher interested in books on

1331
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:01,630
the Green Berets could I write those and

1332
01:01:05,249 --> 01:01:03,640
I said of course I can't and I'm

1333
01:01:06,659 --> 01:01:05,259
thinking at that time in my writing

1334
01:01:08,759 --> 01:01:06,669
career if she calls this can you write a

1335
01:01:11,189 --> 01:01:08,769
book books about nurses and hospitals I

1336
01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:11,199
would have said of course I can and and

1337
01:01:14,999 --> 01:01:13,390
that that is looking at the point of

1338
01:01:17,819 --> 01:01:15,009
view I want to be a writer that's what I

1339
01:01:19,769 --> 01:01:17,829
want to do and here is an opportunity to

1340
01:01:21,449 --> 01:01:19,779
do that in this arena and of course we

1341
01:01:23,909 --> 01:01:21,459
were talking about books of fiction as

1342
01:01:26,399 --> 01:01:23,919
opposed to books that we consider

1343
01:01:28,409 --> 01:01:26,409
nonfiction so you know there is that

1344
01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:28,419
distinction as well my fiction is

1345
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:31,239
clearly labeled as fiction and I'm and

1346
01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:33,400
and some of the other writers out there

1347
01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:35,549
whose books really aren't fict

1348
01:01:41,249 --> 01:01:39,880
nonfiction are more closely aligned I

1349
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:41,259
guess with fiction or labeled as

1350
01:01:46,259 --> 01:01:43,150
nonfiction but I mean the point simply

1351
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,269
is you have to look at you want to be a

1352
01:01:50,999 --> 01:01:48,400
writer or do you want to be a UFO

1353
01:01:54,089 --> 01:01:51,009
investigator or researcher and when I

1354
01:01:56,189 --> 01:01:54,099
put myself in the arena of being a UFO

1355
01:01:58,829 --> 01:01:56,199
researcher the attitude changes from

1356
01:01:59,849 --> 01:01:58,839
being a writer it's now I'm a researcher

1357
01:02:02,549 --> 01:01:59,859
I have to get the best information

1358
01:02:02,999 --> 01:02:02,559
available and I think Jerry's absolutely

1359
01:02:05,219 --> 01:02:03,009
right

1360
01:02:06,839 --> 01:02:05,229
Brad steyr was a writer and he would

1361
01:02:10,499 --> 01:02:06,849
write what he was asked to write by the

1362
01:02:12,479 --> 01:02:10,509
publisher that's an interesting notion I

1363
01:02:14,759 --> 01:02:12,489
think that that Nick Redfern is similar

1364
01:02:17,999 --> 01:02:14,769
to that where his publisher will ask him

1365
01:02:22,109 --> 01:02:18,009
to write books Jerry yeah I think that I

1366
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:22,119
find it just temperamental II I just

1367
01:02:27,659 --> 01:02:24,729
have a very hard time doing something I

1368
01:02:30,299 --> 01:02:27,669
don't want to do in writing about

1369
01:02:33,649 --> 01:02:30,309
subjects in which I have no interest er

1370
01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:33,659
possibly even an out of sympathy with

1371
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:41,380
it's just something that I can't do he

1372
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:44,049
was always writing all the time all day

1373
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:50,169
long other things to do I have to put my

1374
01:02:54,449 --> 01:02:52,569
writing interests with all my other

1375
01:02:58,979 --> 01:02:54,459
interests which seemed only to expand

1376
01:03:02,970 --> 01:02:58,989
the older ideas well you know I first

1377
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:02,980
started writing books about

1378
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similar electronics the internet things

1379
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like that my first published book was

1380
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using AOL or using America Online it

1381
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went under both titles and originally we

1382
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had a co-author and the co-author kind

1383
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of flaked out so I ended up getting the

1384
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:20,650
entire assignment myself and for

1385
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:24,550
probably five or six years I did

1386
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extremely well doing that but you know

1387
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this is assembling wine writing I'll

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tell you more about in a moment

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panko chicken it makes me feel like I'm

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1436
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1437
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Fred repeats the same tired advertising

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1490
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1496
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America's calm so these books I don't

1497
01:08:15,579 --> 01:08:13,910
know if they had a following but they

1498
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:15,589
sold enough to earn real royalties

1499
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:18,170
turnout it reached the point in the late

1500
01:08:25,629 --> 01:08:22,569
90s where that way of earning a living

1501
01:08:27,609 --> 01:08:25,639
began to kind of fade you didn't get the

1502
01:08:30,459 --> 01:08:27,619
same advances from the publishers I'm

1503
01:08:32,410 --> 01:08:30,469
talking occasionally to people today who

1504
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:32,420
still write those books and they say

1505
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:34,940
they get a fraction of what they used to

1506
01:08:40,089 --> 01:08:37,250
get and the deadlines were horrendous

1507
01:08:43,689 --> 01:08:40,099
imagine writing an 800-page book in six

1508
01:08:47,979 --> 01:08:43,699
weeks from start to finish or a thousand

1509
01:08:50,049 --> 01:08:47,989
pages and because I met the deadlines

1510
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:50,059
that's how I continued to get work of

1511
01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:51,679
course I probably ended up getting crazy

1512
01:08:55,959 --> 01:08:53,960
from that but it was a nice thing or

1513
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:55,969
less a pretty good gig but that's

1514
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:58,130
production writing that's real hack

1515
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:00,440
writing it's not writing a subject that

1516
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:03,670
you enjoy when you write a UFO book is

1517
01:09:11,109 --> 01:09:07,520
jeri and certainly kevin moore so can

1518
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:11,119
testify it could take what years not

1519
01:09:16,180 --> 01:09:13,909
months right it really depends on the

1520
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:16,190
book it depends on what information is

1521
01:09:20,499 --> 01:09:18,409
available how quickly you can gather it

1522
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,509
the Roswell in the 21st century you

1523
01:09:24,849 --> 01:09:22,719
might say took 20 years to write Oh

1524
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,859
gathering the information although there

1525
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:26,480
were books about Roswell that I'd done

1526
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:29,210
prior to that book coming out but it was

1527
01:09:33,010 --> 01:09:30,739
a process of gathering all that

1528
01:09:35,769 --> 01:09:33,020
information that took literally years so

1529
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:35,779
I could sit at my desk and produce that

1530
01:09:40,629 --> 01:09:38,270
book so it really depends on the book

1531
01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:40,639
when I was serving in Iraq I was also

1532
01:09:44,019 --> 01:09:42,380
serving as the public information

1533
01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:44,029
officer and the executive officer came

1534
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:45,230
up to me in one day and says how long

1535
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,210
does it take to write an article and I

1536
01:09:51,939 --> 01:09:48,799
said I don't know how long does it take

1537
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:51,949
it takes as long as it takes I know

1538
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,690
that's kind of the way it is with the

1539
01:09:58,420 --> 01:09:55,760
books it takes as long as it takes and

1540
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,430
it you if you've got a short deadline

1541
01:10:02,260 --> 01:10:00,560
then you have to modify your work

1542
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:02,270
schedule to meet that deadline and if

1543
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:04,700
the deadline is expanded out from there

1544
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,860
then it takes as long as it takes to get

1545
01:10:11,170 --> 01:10:08,960
to the deadline so you know there's all

1546
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:11,180
kinds of things that come into the

1547
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:14,570
process of writing when I was doing UFO

1548
01:10:21,490 --> 01:10:17,600
magazine with my wife Vicky we were

1549
01:10:25,690 --> 01:10:21,500
writing all the time and as a side line

1550
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:25,700
I also branched out into writing

1551
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:29,300
articles for other publications and at

1552
01:10:37,090 --> 01:10:32,860
that time the internet was was still

1553
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:37,100
Brandi know and I also wrote for a

1554
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:41,030
number of websites one of them being the

1555
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:44,810
perronnette okay as opposed to the para

1556
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:49,040
cast now I'm not saying I ever got

1557
01:10:56,230 --> 01:10:52,040
wealthy from those sideline writing gigs

1558
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,240
but I did generate some income but

1559
01:11:02,890 --> 01:10:59,120
you're perfectly correct Jean when you

1560
01:11:06,970 --> 01:11:02,900
say that that well kind of dried up now

1561
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:06,980
for the last few years off and on I've

1562
01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:13,400
been writing a piece on our years at UFO

1563
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:16,520
magazine and the things that we

1564
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:20,810
encountered the cases the personalities

1565
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:25,100
and so forth and I can't even at this

1566
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:28,910
point suggest when this might ever be

1567
01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:32,210
done could I get it published while I'm

1568
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:35,750
sure I could but everything at this

1569
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:38,960
point would unfortunately be on spec

1570
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,330
there's nobody that I'm aware of that

1571
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:44,960
would be interested in these days paying

1572
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:46,790
in advance on that and by the way

1573
01:11:52,510 --> 01:11:49,820
gentlemen if any of you have any

1574
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:52,520
suggestions believe me when I tell you

1575
01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:53,330
I'm all ears

1576
01:12:00,160 --> 01:11:57,230
but everything these days seem to be on

1577
01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:00,170
spec even when you get the project

1578
01:12:07,090 --> 01:12:03,980
completed there's no guarantee ever that

1579
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:07,100
we'll see the light of day it's never a

1580
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,170
good time to be a writer and I think

1581
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:12,080
that these days is the worst time

1582
01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:16,490
writer it's just they're stacked against

1583
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,630
you and I I had decided years ago not to

1584
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:23,360
write the book and this one fell in my

1585
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:25,610
lap I couldn't turn it down but this is

1586
01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:28,340
the end I I will continue to write

1587
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:29,630
because that's what I do

1588
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:32,150
but no more books way too much work for

1589
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:34,610
way too little money way too much stress

1590
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:40,670
for fun and it's just drudgery and

1591
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:42,910
anxiety and that's all it is anymore

1592
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:46,450
baby I'm not speaking for Kevin

1593
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,310
maintains a good attitude but I just

1594
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:51,950
started for myself I think that makes

1595
01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:52,510
sense

1596
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,630
in a lot of ways because a lot of people

1597
01:13:02,110 --> 01:12:58,880
think that writers make a lot of money

1598
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:02,120
and the real truth is they make very

1599
01:13:06,010 --> 01:13:02,810
little money

1600
01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:06,020
only a few a handful make the big bucks

1601
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,420
the rest well I'll give you an example

1602
01:13:13,180 --> 01:13:10,000
of this and I've mentioned this before

1603
01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:13,190
we remember that book shockingly close

1604
01:13:18,910 --> 01:13:16,190
to the truth from Jim Mosely which he

1605
01:13:21,820 --> 01:13:18,920
wrote with Carl flock that book

1606
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:21,830
I think they printed 4,000 copies and

1607
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:25,630
they gave in advance to two authors of

1608
01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:30,110
$4,000 the book never earned out which

1609
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means of course they didn't sell enough

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books to cover the advance they paid to

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Jim and Carl four thousand dollars how

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long did it take Jim to put that book

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together even before Carl got involved

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it's the same thing it's like what 30 40

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years of his life in having these things

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happened to him and putting together

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material that he incorporated into that

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book what was it worth yep I could tell

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me a tale of wool but I recognized that

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story

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Jimmie's to send me as royalty

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statements for some reason anyway if you

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want to write a UFO book and you're

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hoping it'll be a huge bestseller sorry

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folks ain't gonna happen

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there's a novel called it's not a

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science fiction novels literary novels

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called men in black by a play by Scott

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Spencer and the character is a down on

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the main character sat down on it's like

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writer who is trying to write literary

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novels and not making any money at it

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you know living a hard life he decides

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he's doing some TV show he runs to the

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skies written UFO and so the guy decides

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that he's been right here fo book cuz

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that'll make him a bunch of money he

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doesn't believe in UFOs he's not

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understood something but he writes a

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book and he makes a whole bunch of money

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and I thought you know I was reading

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that I thought the guy who wrote this

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novel has never talked with a single UFO

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author he doesn't know anything about

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what he's writing about everything about

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the book which was well reviewed of

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course did not speak to the reality what

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it is like to be a writer on some kind

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of French subject there isn't money in

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it and no I really have me bunny

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like Whitley Strieber are just outliers

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and they're people who come from outside

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in the field we'll discuss more of this

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our next segment well I remind you about

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radio sadhana Kerr is ready to speak

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go answer yeah I recall back in the

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early early 1990s a book that came out

1792
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sent to the UFO field what Jerry was was

1793
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just talking about an outsider writing a

1794
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UFO book in this case if I recall

1795
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correctly it was the author Sidney

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Sheldon Shelton and this guy was known

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for writing you know those sexual

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potboilers and you know some some real

1799
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glitter re crash and he came out with

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with a book on the UFO topic so we ended

1801
01:22:07,180 --> 01:22:04,880
up getting a copy of it and I did a lot

1802
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of book reviews back then and I read

1803
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this thing and I was appalled at the

1804
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tripe that was in this novel

1805
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III even forget now what the title was

1806
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:20,900
but it was about a female alien that

1807
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came down here and she had a thing for

1808
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water purity if I recall it was just

1809
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appallingly in my opinion appallingly

1810
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:35,630
bad and I gave it the necessary review

1811
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:40,690
but yeah in order to dress this niche

1812
01:22:47,230 --> 01:22:44,449
audience that I guess UFOs have garnered

1813
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,240
over the years you really have

1814
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they have an idea of what you're writing

1815
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:52,040
about and just because you're a writer

1816
01:22:59,440 --> 01:22:54,020
and you decide well I think I'll write

1817
01:23:01,330 --> 01:22:59,450
this book on a UFO mystery and then you

1818
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:01,340
know stumble and fall with it because

1819
01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:04,190
you don't have a clue what you're really

1820
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:07,220
writing about is is telling in many ways

1821
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:11,510
I would think well certainly if you get

1822
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:14,510
gigs regular gigs as a writer and you're

1823
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:18,920
not afraid of getting your feet dirty or

1824
01:23:23,170 --> 01:23:21,230
your toes wet or your hands dirty you

1825
01:23:25,150 --> 01:23:23,180
know I guess you can carve out a living

1826
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,160
at it I mean I did for a number of years

1827
01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:26,960
I wrote a lot of magazine articles too

1828
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:29,030
but most of those magazines are no

1829
01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:31,490
longer have print versions and actually

1830
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,590
I switched from one magazine to another

1831
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:36,560
in the 90s late 90s because they would

1832
01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:38,330
give me a better deal on the articles

1833
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:40,340
they were paying faster and then that

1834
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:43,370
magazine folded and merged into the one

1835
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:47,210
that I left to well you know it's kind

1836
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:50,750
of its kind of comparable to many films

1837
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:54,170
that come out that are released okay and

1838
01:24:00,700 --> 01:23:57,710
they have a military usually a military

1839
01:24:02,530 --> 01:24:00,710
combat or section in there somewhere a

1840
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,540
lot of the a lot of these really be

1841
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great movies if you talked to somebody

1842
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:09,380
like Kevin Randle or myself you know if

1843
01:24:15,610 --> 01:24:12,230
we happen to watch these movies it takes

1844
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:15,620
all of about four seconds for us to

1845
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shake our head groan turn the TV off and

1846
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walk away because the lack of knowledge

1847
01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:26,420
about it about a subject like this is is

1848
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:29,540
just oh my lord it's atrocious and it's

1849
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the it's the same way with a lot of

1850
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these folks that are that are writing

1851
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about things that quite frankly they

1852
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don't know anything about would you

1853
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agree Kevin oh and you're looking at the

1854
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military the movies I am appalled that a

1855
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the weapons shoot forever be they have

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no idea of a how the weapons work or how

1857
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to actually aim and do that sort of

1858
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thing they don't understand military

1859
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customs and courtesies the wearing of

1860
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the uniform or anything like that

1861
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people seem to to

1862
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accept that as being being the truth my

1863
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mother had told me that George Custer

1864
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had been promoted to Brigadier General

1865
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by mistake that comes from a movie they

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died with their boots on where he's

1867
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supposedly stolen some guy's horse and

1868
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they're writing a message to him to get

1869
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the horse back to the guy and then they

1870
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say we need a brigadier general for the

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Michigan cavalry let's get somebody down

1872
01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:24,920
and Custer inadvertently ends up as they

1873
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:27,230
brigadier general untrue completely

1874
01:25:30,010 --> 01:25:28,790
untrue but people believe that because

1875
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:30,020
they've seen it in the movies and they

1876
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:31,310
think that's the way with things work

1877
01:25:35,650 --> 01:25:32,840
but they just don't take the time to

1878
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:35,660
understand just the basics and that's

1879
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:37,850
that's always kind of appalling but

1880
01:25:44,110 --> 01:25:40,489
isn't it true that a lot of movies hire

1881
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:44,120
some kind of expert to do technical

1882
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:45,710
advice they hire somebody from the

1883
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:49,010
military they get cooperation with the

1884
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:52,340
military if they're going to do a show

1885
01:25:56,410 --> 01:25:54,200
where they're presenting them in a good

1886
01:25:59,170 --> 01:25:56,420
like like a TV show like NCIS

1887
01:26:02,170 --> 01:25:59,180
don't they have a NCIS agent present or

1888
01:26:04,450 --> 01:26:02,180
former unstaffed to say no you can't do

1889
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:04,460
it that way back in the days when I was

1890
01:26:10,270 --> 01:26:07,730
doing things I was a consultant on a

1891
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:10,280
movie and the director and I pointed out

1892
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:11,480
some of these things to him and the

1893
01:26:15,190 --> 01:26:12,920
director says you have to remember we're

1894
01:26:16,930 --> 01:26:15,200
making a movie not a documentary so

1895
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:16,940
they'll let you do it up to a point but

1896
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:20,090
then they're going to stretch it it

1897
01:26:27,310 --> 01:26:25,010
doesn't fit into their vision we all

1898
01:26:28,570 --> 01:26:27,320
said vision together one more time the

1899
01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:28,580
vision of what they what they're

1900
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:30,680
attempting to do when I was a kid I used

1901
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:36,080
to dad and my dad who had an interest in

1902
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:39,830
antique weapons but inevitably leave the

1903
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:42,710
theater just storming about how they got

1904
01:26:48,130 --> 01:26:45,410
the guns wrong and I would say dad was a

1905
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:48,140
mattr system movie but he wasn't he was

1906
01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:49,280
having none of it

1907
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:51,860
when I grew up I had I'm not interested

1908
01:26:57,010 --> 01:26:53,930
in guns but I am interested in old music

1909
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:57,020
like folk songs and 19th century popular

1910
01:26:59,860 --> 01:26:58,489
songs and things like that and I

1911
01:27:02,440 --> 01:26:59,870
actually know quite a bit about the

1912
01:27:05,260 --> 01:27:02,450
subject can actually write about but I

1913
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:05,270
go to movies now or I watched an old

1914
01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:08,030
movie on television I remember for

1915
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:11,660
example John Wayne or John Wayne at deep

1916
01:27:17,209 --> 01:27:14,070
Martinus of Western suppose we take

1917
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:17,219
place in Texas 1870s and they're sitting

1918
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:19,380
in a bar getting drunk singing pretty

1919
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:34,730
1977 and I left the theater dance boys

1920
01:27:41,060 --> 01:27:38,210
[Laughter]

1921
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:41,070
well I think if we looked at that in

1922
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:43,530
terms of movies whether they were

1923
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:46,710
factually accurate we go crazy pretty

1924
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:47,159
quickly

1925
01:27:53,660 --> 01:27:50,310
I don't mistake movies for biographies

1926
01:27:56,419 --> 01:27:53,670
even if the character has a name from

1927
01:27:58,939 --> 01:27:56,429
history I remember arguing with somebody

1928
01:28:01,339 --> 01:27:58,949
one time in a bar miss knowledge of

1929
01:28:04,540 --> 01:28:01,349
Jesse James consisted of what you see in

1930
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:04,550
movies whereas I've read several books

1931
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:06,690
it did matter somehow

1932
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:09,179
she knew as much as I did if not more

1933
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:12,719
she was actually correcting me so what

1934
01:28:16,580 --> 01:28:15,210
do you do well therefore if you're

1935
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:16,590
watching a movie about Jesse James

1936
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:19,380
that's it but you know we think of

1937
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,409
Daniel Boone for example and we think of

1938
01:28:26,810 --> 01:28:24,960
all these people we've seen in the

1939
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:26,820
movies and Disney movies and everything

1940
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,670
else now at least with comic book movies

1941
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:31,040
you know it's a fantasy

1942
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:34,139
Captain America didn't get frozen in

1943
01:28:40,939 --> 01:28:37,710
World War two and wake up in 2010 or

1944
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:40,949
something and he's a super soldier you

1945
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:43,679
know speaking of Disney movies my my

1946
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:46,530
father and my grandfather took me to see

1947
01:28:55,879 --> 01:28:50,760
Davy Crockett the Disney movie in what

1948
01:28:57,709 --> 01:28:55,889
was it 1955 I think er 56 yeah I around

1949
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:57,719
around that time that's about the time

1950
01:29:04,879 --> 01:29:02,040
the Coonskin cap became a huge fad that

1951
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,889
swept across the nation and all that the

1952
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:07,679
sordid stuff well there was something

1953
01:29:11,629 --> 01:29:09,329
about that movie at the very end

1954
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:11,639
watching Davy Crockett swinging his

1955
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:14,310
musket back and forth you know trying to

1956
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:16,650
beat off the attacking Mexican troops

1957
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:20,489
and it really clicked with me so I began

1958
01:29:26,630 --> 01:29:23,639
and and this is kind of funny I began

1959
01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:26,640
researching through

1960
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:28,680
cyclopædia is dictionaries whatever

1961
01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:31,530
anything I could find about the Alamo

1962
01:29:41,210 --> 01:29:37,230
now in 1960 John Wayne came out with his

1963
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:41,220
blockbuster movie the Alamo and of

1964
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:44,310
course I was at the first showing and I

1965
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:46,890
guess over the years I may have watched

1966
01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:49,650
that film I'm getting conservatively

1967
01:29:58,270 --> 01:29:53,880
guessing 50 times okay now watching it

1968
01:30:03,530 --> 01:29:58,280
in in recent years I am totally appalled

1969
01:30:06,230 --> 01:30:03,540
by wrong they got so much of that of

1970
01:30:08,420 --> 01:30:06,240
that movie and I mean I could tick off a

1971
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:08,430
couple of things here but that's not

1972
01:30:12,020 --> 01:30:10,770
what this shows about exactly let me do

1973
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:12,030
our break here and we'll get back to

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this he's on board come with Don and

1975
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Jerry and Kevin but mostly we were

1976
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focusing on Brad Steiger but how that

1977
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led us to writing books and factual

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2078
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listening to the podcast the gold

2079
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:16,129
but I could see that in terms of this

2080
01:35:21,169 --> 01:35:18,690
but you see what also we have here in

2081
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:21,179
terms of factual accuracy so-called

2082
01:35:25,759 --> 01:35:24,090
reality shows about any subject not just

2083
01:35:27,649 --> 01:35:25,769
UFOs not just ghosts

2084
01:35:29,779 --> 01:35:27,659
it says they don't want me to finish my

2085
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:29,789
story about the Alamo huh please finish

2086
01:35:34,850 --> 01:35:31,610
your story about the Alamo

2087
01:35:36,490 --> 01:35:34,860
the Texans lose it mean to send a

2088
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:36,500
spoiler

2089
01:35:41,899 --> 01:35:40,230
they lost alright just a very brief

2090
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:41,909
thing at the at the very end of the

2091
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:44,880
movie when the Mexican army under

2092
01:35:51,970 --> 01:35:48,719
general Santa Ana attacks the Alamo in

2093
01:35:54,740 --> 01:35:51,980
the last battle it was like this

2094
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:54,750
daylight assault I mean it could have

2095
01:36:00,799 --> 01:35:57,719
been watching the longest day on d-day

2096
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:00,809
with this huge battle all the Mexican

2097
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:04,199
troops marching up to the walls drums

2098
01:36:09,649 --> 01:36:06,329
beating and cannon going off and

2099
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:09,659
what-have-you when actually when Santa

2100
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:13,050
Ana attacked the Alamo on March the 6th

2101
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:16,289
they came about 4:30 maybe a quarter of

2102
01:36:22,879 --> 01:36:20,130
5:00 in the morning okay the Sun wasn't

2103
01:36:27,140 --> 01:36:22,889
up and they attacked and the whole

2104
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:27,150
battle lasted roughly maybe 90 minutes

2105
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:30,420
and they were all dead so you know when

2106
01:36:36,379 --> 01:36:32,610
when you see something like that John

2107
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:36,389
Wayne movie but unfortunately I kind of

2108
01:36:41,959 --> 01:36:38,610
hate to say this but the American public

2109
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:41,969
and this can also be fitted into the UFO

2110
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:45,210
field are very uncultured when it comes

2111
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,369
to this and unfortunately many of them

2112
01:36:52,779 --> 01:36:50,400
don't want to be you know schooled in in

2113
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:52,789
what the real facts are and

2114
01:36:58,459 --> 01:36:54,960
unfortunately this movie even though I

2115
01:37:02,120 --> 01:36:58,469
as a kid I loved it really does a

2116
01:37:06,379 --> 01:37:02,130
disservice to the history of Texas and

2117
01:37:09,229 --> 01:37:06,389
the United States all those movies about

2118
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,239
Abraham Lincoln none of them really

2119
01:37:14,109 --> 01:37:11,760
sound like he sounded it's always the

2120
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:14,119
actor who played him like Raymond Massey

2121
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:17,690
Massey had this deep rich voice and

2122
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:20,880
that's not the way he sounded he had a

2123
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:23,489
high-pitched voice I believe yes that's

2124
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:24,030
true

2125
01:37:27,919 --> 01:37:25,650
Don I had the same

2126
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:27,929
experience with the Alamos who did the

2127
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:30,960
Davy Crockett started a lifelong kind of

2128
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,690
secondary interest in that subject and I

2129
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:36,000
have read any number of books by the way

2130
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:39,090
just so you know Jerry I was raised a

2131
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:46,170
Lutheran also I'm glad to hear that but

2132
01:37:51,110 --> 01:37:48,810
if I saw that old Davy Crockett movie

2133
01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:51,120
and saw the Alamo well I actually know a

2134
01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:52,860
fair amount about Crockett too because I

2135
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have a deep interest in the fighting

2136
01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:56,520
interest in American history so I read

2137
01:38:01,640 --> 01:37:58,679
just tons and tons of it in the course

2138
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:01,650
of my life but if I saw the Alamo

2139
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:03,510
sequence it would probably just drive me

2140
01:38:08,419 --> 01:38:06,449
completely berserk I just don't have

2141
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,429
patience with that and also I remember

2142
01:38:13,820 --> 01:38:10,560
the child weight which is also pretty

2143
01:38:15,470 --> 01:38:13,830
nonsensical fortunately that's why we

2144
01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:15,480
have so many comic book movies now we

2145
01:38:20,419 --> 01:38:18,120
expect they'll beast nonsensical in fact

2146
01:38:21,979 --> 01:38:20,429
I find it humorous when they review an

2147
01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:21,989
episode of one of these shows like the

2148
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:24,750
flash or Supergirl or any of the others

2149
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:27,290
or Gotham they point out where the

2150
01:38:33,919 --> 01:38:30,750
plotting is inconsistent the facts are

2151
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:33,929
outrageous and I think it's a comic book

2152
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:37,890
folks the live-action comic book give it

2153
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:40,770
a rest but you see the problem we have

2154
01:38:45,380 --> 01:38:42,570
here is getting back to our subject of

2155
01:38:47,930 --> 01:38:45,390
the world here is the same

2156
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:47,940
considerations are given when they do

2157
01:38:54,830 --> 01:38:50,880
movies about UFO and paranormal related

2158
01:38:57,140 --> 01:38:54,840
subjects like fire in the sky was

2159
01:39:00,110 --> 01:38:57,150
certainly not quite what really happened

2160
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,120
the Travis Walton we've had Tracy Torme

2161
01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:02,159
explaining what they did and why they

2162
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:02,760
did it

2163
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:05,250
all these reality shows about UFOs how

2164
01:39:12,410 --> 01:39:07,980
do you call a reality show reality if

2165
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:12,420
they're using all these standard movie

2166
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:15,120
gimmicks to make the show run better

2167
01:39:20,780 --> 01:39:18,239
well they're all scripted okay that's

2168
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:20,790
number one they're in and you've got to

2169
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:23,100
go into this into this topic with the

2170
01:39:30,649 --> 01:39:28,080
idea that none of that is real okay none

2171
01:39:34,669 --> 01:39:30,659
of it and it's just kind of like

2172
01:39:37,820 --> 01:39:34,679
watching Kevin has a love affair or at

2173
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:37,830
least he did with the treasure of Oak

2174
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:38,460
Island

2175
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:39,199
right

2176
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:42,080
why not a love affair but I well sure

2177
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:44,330
why not I was fascinated by that story

2178
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,210
when I first read about it in the 1960s

2179
01:39:53,169 --> 01:39:49,520
and so I've been following the History

2180
01:39:55,209 --> 01:39:53,179
Channel's nonsense as they try to try to

2181
01:39:58,810 --> 01:39:55,219
find the treasure so I go to here why

2182
01:40:01,120 --> 01:39:58,820
not okay we'll give you that okay good

2183
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:01,130
good because you know how do they get

2184
01:40:06,010 --> 01:40:03,310
the audience to come back week after

2185
01:40:09,370 --> 01:40:06,020
week well it's kind of like the pearls

2186
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:09,380
of Pauline all right you've got to have

2187
01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:11,810
a cliffhanger it's not a real

2188
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:15,380
cliffhanger if you think it is you know

2189
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:17,449
turn off the TV go in and take a bath

2190
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,150
you really need it but it's a

2191
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:22,239
cliffhanger every week and it's

2192
01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:26,290
manufactured drama and you know it that

2193
01:40:34,419 --> 01:40:31,060
offends me as a viewer and as a result I

2194
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:34,429
refuse to be a viewer and in the same

2195
01:40:42,010 --> 01:40:38,449
thing with you know with reality TV UFO

2196
01:40:46,180 --> 01:40:42,020
shows I mean the one that built burns

2197
01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:46,190
was on a few years ago a UFO hunter I

2198
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:49,310
had some knowledge of behind the scenes

2199
01:40:58,090 --> 01:40:54,890
stuff and those with the gold make the

2200
01:41:00,820 --> 01:40:58,100
rules in other words the production

2201
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:00,830
company and the people banking them tell

2202
01:41:07,689 --> 01:41:04,610
the quote/unquote researchers and

2203
01:41:10,689 --> 01:41:07,699
investigators what they're gonna do if

2204
01:41:13,209 --> 01:41:10,699
they don't want to do it fine we'll fire

2205
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:13,219
you and get somebody else you know their

2206
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:15,710
talent researchers we don't call them

2207
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:18,080
researchers we call them Talent

2208
01:41:24,669 --> 01:41:21,110
yeah well it's go with the flow or

2209
01:41:28,330 --> 01:41:24,679
you're out and I mean all the way out so

2210
01:41:32,110 --> 01:41:28,340
you know there it is as a result I just

2211
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:32,120
see the whole reality TV thing as as a

2212
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:33,230
total waste of time

2213
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:35,390
well there's this instance that Chris

2214
01:41:39,340 --> 01:41:37,070
O'Brien has told several times on the

2215
01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:39,350
show where he did a segment of UFO

2216
01:41:44,410 --> 01:41:42,590
Hunters and he claims that bill burns

2217
01:41:45,970 --> 01:41:44,420
apologized to him and said he had

2218
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:45,980
nothing to do with it where he was

2219
01:41:49,899 --> 01:41:48,050
talking about the mysteries in the

2220
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:49,909
mysterious valley the stuff he's written

2221
01:41:54,340 --> 01:41:52,010
his books on and

2222
01:41:58,330 --> 01:41:54,350
it ends up being pushed into Sedona

2223
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:58,340
Arizona now widely did this I have no

2224
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,520
idea but obviously somebody in the

2225
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:03,440
production capacity said let's do it

2226
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:07,730
that way not caring of course about the

2227
01:42:14,410 --> 01:42:09,830
factual accuracy even gets into the

2228
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:14,420
hangar one TV show from MUFON where they

2229
01:42:19,330 --> 01:42:16,310
have all this fictional stuff going on

2230
01:42:23,140 --> 01:42:19,340
they create this myth like almost like

2231
01:42:27,190 --> 01:42:23,150
an x-files manufactured drama exactly

2232
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:27,200
now I can see where you might want to

2233
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:31,150
telescope an event maybe do a minor

2234
01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:33,260
editorial adjustment because you have to

2235
01:42:37,300 --> 01:42:35,030
fit this into 43 minutes plus

2236
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:37,310
commercials but if it isn't

2237
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:39,530
fundamentally adhering to the facts

2238
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:42,230
where do you go we look like James Fox

2239
01:42:46,510 --> 01:42:43,850
for example who's still working on that

2240
01:42:48,730 --> 01:42:46,520
7:01 movie and hopefully he'll get

2241
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:48,740
things done on it he was on a show

2242
01:42:54,490 --> 01:42:52,130
called chasing UFOs I think if I didn't

2243
01:42:56,620 --> 01:42:54,500
forget and he claimed to everybody all

2244
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:56,630
the people on the show got sick of it

2245
01:43:02,380 --> 01:42:59,840
because the producers would not allow

2246
01:43:05,170 --> 01:43:02,390
for accurate presentations I have no

2247
01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:05,180
idea although I think at the end unless

2248
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:07,400
she really needed that check whatever

2249
01:43:13,870 --> 01:43:09,890
amount it is you wouldn't do a show like

2250
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:13,880
that unless you had some sense of what

2251
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:15,110
they were going to do and you were

2252
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,330
willing to go along with it otherwise

2253
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:19,760
this is what you get and this is what

2254
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:24,290
you got yeah back in 2014 I was involved

2255
01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:28,250
with a project on the moon aliens on the

2256
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:30,140
moon the truth revealed and if we're

2257
01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:31,910
going to break I can talk about that

2258
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:34,750
we've got about two minutes or so good

2259
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:40,670
okay so the information I've been

2260
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:43,280
involved in lunar mysteries in lunar

2261
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:47,890
research going back to about 1991 and

2262
01:43:54,010 --> 01:43:51,110
when I say that there are some genuine

2263
01:43:57,060 --> 01:43:54,020
and mysteries up there I'm not kidding

2264
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:57,070
about that but in that production

2265
01:44:03,659 --> 01:44:01,040
because of what the network demanded

2266
01:44:06,689 --> 01:44:03,669
they demanded the inclusion

2267
01:44:11,009 --> 01:44:06,699
of some material involved with the

2268
01:44:14,819 --> 01:44:11,019
fictional Apollo 20 mission and the

2269
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:14,829
discovery of a fictional nude alien

2270
01:44:22,830 --> 01:44:19,209
female figure that was I believe called

2271
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:22,840
the alien Mona Lisa and was in stormy

2272
01:44:31,799 --> 01:44:26,409
Daniels no it was not it was not stormy

2273
01:44:35,909 --> 01:44:31,809
Daniels and I was the was the research

2274
01:44:38,219 --> 01:44:35,919
producer and I got into a tremendous

2275
01:44:42,259 --> 01:44:38,229
temper tantrum over the inclusion of

2276
01:44:45,719 --> 01:44:42,269
that stuff and the bottom line was hey

2277
01:44:48,359 --> 01:44:45,729
that's what they want it's in there live

2278
01:44:51,359 --> 01:44:48,369
with it or die with it on your mind and

2279
01:44:54,989 --> 01:44:51,369
and that was basically the attitude so

2280
01:44:58,199 --> 01:44:54,999
as a result you know any respect I had

2281
01:44:59,520 --> 01:44:58,209
for the television industry which was

2282
01:45:02,449 --> 01:44:59,530
minimal at best

2283
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:02,459
totally and completely evaporated gene

2284
01:45:07,919 --> 01:45:05,110
we're gonna talk to Jerry Clark about

2285
01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:07,929
the book he's almost finishing in our

2286
01:45:13,049 --> 01:45:10,630
next segment we've been honoring the

2287
01:45:15,449 --> 01:45:13,059
memory of Brandt's tiger and that leads

2288
01:45:19,169 --> 01:45:15,459
to lots of possibilities of subjects Don

2289
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:19,179
Ecker Kevin Randall Jerome Clark you're

2290
01:45:24,810 --> 01:45:29,410
[Music]

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2341
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2342
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2343
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a real trooper after the show Kevin's

2344
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gonna say wailing you say this silly

2345
01:48:11,879 --> 01:48:09,130
thing and I think will answer is gonna

2346
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sing for us it's gonna sing for us yeah

2347
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that's gonna happen yeah I can't wait

2348
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till these things when I sing he'll sing

2349
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yeah that's gonna happen right it will

2350
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never happen over Jerry one of the

2351
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reasons that you want to leave a little

2352
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early is because you are immersed in a

2353
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book project speaking of book projects

2354
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tell us more that's what I'm doing I

2355
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:46,869
want to talk about a reality show in our

2356
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:49,810
area I wonder if anyone else has watched

2357
01:48:56,550 --> 01:48:53,830
it's called monsters Discovery America

2358
01:49:03,510 --> 01:48:56,560
Channel has anybody seen that show you

2359
01:49:05,729 --> 01:49:03,520
I've I've skim through a jury yeah one

2360
01:49:08,939 --> 01:49:05,739
of the most astounding things I've ever

2361
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:08,949
seen on television it's for guys most

2362
01:49:14,129 --> 01:49:11,290
three of them old guys what young guy

2363
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:14,139
they're all fat and they all look like

2364
01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:17,530
almost beyond stereotypes of Appalachian

2365
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Hillbillies and their hunt hunt with

2366
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weapons are all very well armed going

2367
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into the woods to find various monsters

2368
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,380
in the Appalachian region inevitably

2369
01:49:34,649 --> 01:49:32,320
they encounter a monster you don't see a

2370
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television but you hear there you buy

2371
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shirts roaring by yourself that's going

2372
01:49:42,290 --> 01:49:40,150
off guys getting real scared these guys

2373
01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:42,300
clearly are not professional actors

2374
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:46,360
they're just local characters and I

2375
01:49:51,450 --> 01:49:48,850
watched that thing and I try I know that

2376
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:51,460
his fake and everything and it says this

2377
01:49:57,419 --> 01:49:54,730
is not really happening the way they

2378
01:50:00,899 --> 01:49:57,429
want you to bleep but in its own cheesy

2379
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:00,909
way it's really done pretty well it

2380
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:03,760
really is kind of fascinating to watch

2381
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:06,730
and I have done some research at least

2382
01:50:11,799 --> 01:50:10,090
online to satisfy my curiosity and other

2383
01:50:15,879 --> 01:50:11,809
people who've watched it apparent

2384
01:50:20,069 --> 01:50:15,889
as baffled as I am by exactly what

2385
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:20,079
they're seeing if these guys were like

2386
01:50:23,859 --> 01:50:21,289
handsome

2387
01:50:26,169 --> 01:50:23,869
you know buzz killer professional actors

2388
01:50:27,729 --> 01:50:26,179
it would be easier to get your head

2389
01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:27,739
around what's going on it's just that

2390
01:50:35,649 --> 01:50:31,369
these characters are such buffoonish

2391
01:50:37,509 --> 01:50:35,659
guys and apparently are no barbershops

2392
01:50:39,790 --> 01:50:37,519
in West Virginia where this thing is

2393
01:50:42,069 --> 01:50:39,800
filled because these guys looks like

2394
01:50:45,009 --> 01:50:42,079
they look almost like human scare girls

2395
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with a whole lot of hair and whiskers at

2396
01:50:50,979 --> 01:50:47,809
their face it's just an incredibly

2397
01:50:53,739 --> 01:50:50,989
bizarre show even as reality shows which

2398
01:50:56,649 --> 01:50:53,749
I ordinarily did not watch at all but

2399
01:50:59,709 --> 01:50:56,659
this one's just so bizarre you can't get

2400
01:51:00,969 --> 01:50:59,719
your eyes off it if he is pissed I am a

2401
01:51:03,369 --> 01:51:00,979
flatline here

2402
01:51:05,290 --> 01:51:03,379
it's been on for five seasons don't go

2403
01:51:08,649 --> 01:51:05,300
this gonna be a season six the last

2404
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season was last year so the last episode

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somebody rated 9.8 by the way buck

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whoever he is searches for the little

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girl after he makes contact with her and

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she vanishes the rest of the a IMS team

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sneaks into a cabin looking for answers

2410
01:51:29,949 --> 01:51:26,539
about the other team's intentions buck

2411
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winds up face to face with the woman of

2412
01:51:45,729 --> 01:51:42,349
the woods what all right here's one

2413
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here's one the superfan edition superfan

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addition the a IMS team shares their

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thoughts answers fans biggest questions

2416
01:51:56,739 --> 01:51:54,229
and tells some of their favorite stories

2417
01:51:58,329 --> 01:51:56,749
from the road what this means is that's

2418
01:52:00,879 --> 01:51:58,339
a filler episode it's like you have

2419
01:52:03,069 --> 01:52:00,889
flashbacks on TV episode because you

2420
01:52:05,529 --> 01:52:03,079
haven't got a really good script and you

2421
01:52:08,349 --> 01:52:05,539
have to do 22 episodes a year this is

2422
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:08,359
ten episodes a year so I assume superfan

2423
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:11,209
edition was done strictly because they

2424
01:52:15,819 --> 01:52:13,609
had nothing else to do and they had come

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01:52:17,979 --> 01:52:15,829
up with something well they taste all

2426
01:52:20,500 --> 01:52:17,989
the monsters on appellation so wait were

2427
01:52:24,750 --> 01:52:20,510
you to do oh so we can't do another

2428
01:52:27,089 --> 01:52:24,760
Appalachian monsters joke this is it

2429
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:27,099
I was praying here for just a second

2430
01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:30,130
notice I said praying that they were

2431
01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:31,900
gonna run into the mosque man and he

2432
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:34,750
said West Virginia Jerry so they should

2433
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:36,489
have they should have been counted the

2434
01:52:42,299 --> 01:52:40,210
Mothman they actually have the closest

2435
01:52:45,540 --> 01:52:42,309
you get to seeing a monster I remember a

2436
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:45,550
Mossman episode where there were these

2437
01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:48,460
eyes way deep in the forest or you know

2438
01:52:52,740 --> 01:52:50,230
luminous eyes and this is when we were

2439
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:52,750
told this response man and that's not as

2440
01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:54,010
close to yet the monsters the monsters

2441
01:52:59,850 --> 01:52:57,489
are like Bigfoot or giant snakes or

2442
01:53:01,890 --> 01:52:59,860
giant Bulls I mean they're you know

2443
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:01,900
somebody somewheres we didn't cook this

2444
01:53:06,750 --> 01:53:04,510
logic literature but it just doesn't

2445
01:53:09,509 --> 01:53:06,760
quite come together in any way that

2446
01:53:11,790 --> 01:53:09,519
makes any sense and yet it has to be

2447
01:53:14,009 --> 01:53:11,800
fairly expensive to film because they

2448
01:53:16,799 --> 01:53:14,019
are sending these guys out in places and

2449
01:53:18,899 --> 01:53:16,809
it is really one of the strangest TV

2450
01:53:20,939 --> 01:53:18,909
shows I've ever seen and I don't

2451
01:53:22,979 --> 01:53:20,949
necessarily mean strangest as in the

2452
01:53:25,970 --> 01:53:22,989
novel is because clearly this cannot be

2453
01:53:27,899 --> 01:53:25,980
true but just the whole kind of

2454
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:27,909
atmosphere of the show and the

2455
01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:30,210
personalities involved in it it is

2456
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:33,880
really bizarre I looked up their credits

2457
01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:36,400
and they have none this is it their

2458
01:53:42,689 --> 01:53:40,030
entire lives led up to this show yep and

2459
01:53:45,149 --> 01:53:42,699
when it's gone they will disappear into

2460
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the woods and maybe take a shave so we

2461
01:54:00,930 --> 01:53:58,840
would recognize them was a mystic barber

2462
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,940
is no longer alive but he lived in

2463
01:54:06,359 --> 01:54:02,800
Brooklyn

2464
01:54:07,979 --> 01:54:06,369
yeah yeah man Sinatra by the way he was

2465
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like a fourteenth cousin of Frank

2466
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Sinatra and I was asked he wanted him to

2467
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well these mountain guys maybe they

2468
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discovered the secret of the west

2469
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virginians still operation jerry at one

2470
01:54:34,319 --> 01:54:30,340
time they actually did run into some

2471
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:34,329
pretty cool shiners moonshiners in the

2472
01:54:38,860 --> 01:54:36,590
southern ohio where they were in soon

2473
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:38,870
turned out that thee this was really an

2474
01:54:42,460 --> 01:54:40,490
interesting well done episode because

2475
01:54:44,500 --> 01:54:42,470
these really these moonshiners who

2476
01:54:47,020 --> 01:54:44,510
didn't want to be filmed actually seem

2477
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:47,030
kinda like scary guys who didn't want

2478
01:54:53,050 --> 01:54:49,810
them around but anyway according to the

2479
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,060
moonshine guys the Bigfoots were

2480
01:55:00,010 --> 01:54:55,040
breaking into their stills and getting

2481
01:55:02,710 --> 01:55:00,020
drunk and so they didn't want the

2482
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:02,720
Bigfoot guys around it so they allowed

2483
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the Monster Hunters on their property

2484
01:55:13,660 --> 01:55:11,050
because they might chase the Bigfoot I

2485
01:55:18,540 --> 01:55:13,670
have a problem with this Jerry a bigger

2486
01:55:21,490 --> 01:55:18,550
problem why are you watching it

2487
01:55:23,170 --> 01:55:21,500
professional wrestling I thought you're

2488
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:23,180
gonna say your remote control is broken

2489
01:55:31,530 --> 01:55:30,050
you know I used to take my kids than

2490
01:55:33,790 --> 01:55:31,540
they were doing when I live in Chicago

2491
01:55:35,710 --> 01:55:33,800
we've got a professional wrestling

2492
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:35,720
matches so they still talk about that

2493
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:45,290
they're all grown adults now Jerry

2494
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:47,930
before you go on the highest paid actor

2495
01:55:54,970 --> 01:55:52,400
in the world is a former wrestler right

2496
01:55:59,410 --> 01:55:54,980
yeah he's actually good you know the

2497
01:56:01,780 --> 01:55:59,420
guy's a decent actor yeah so you know

2498
01:56:05,470 --> 01:56:01,790
it's possible to be a rose once upon a

2499
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:05,480
time I shook Bruno Sammartino and I'll

2500
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:08,170
never forget that

2501
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:12,010
yeah yeah he just did I found out

2502
01:56:17,860 --> 01:56:14,690
because I was trying believe it or not

2503
01:56:22,660 --> 01:56:17,870
to get in touch with him to find out if

2504
01:56:26,290 --> 01:56:22,670
he and jumpin Johnny DeFazio I wanted to

2505
01:56:29,670 --> 01:56:26,300
do I wanted to do a show with these two

2506
01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:29,680
guys and also talk about Billy Cardell

2507
01:56:36,610 --> 01:56:33,860
another late night horror posts you know

2508
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:36,620
on well their various horror hosts

2509
01:56:41,110 --> 01:56:38,930
around the country that would do these

2510
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Saturday night horror fests with cheesy

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horror movies like from the 30s the 40s

2512
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and what have you

2513
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yeah I wanted to do an all-encompassing

2514
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show about that

2515
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and then I found out Bruno died so I I

2516
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was I was deeply disappointed he died on

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April 18th by the way at the age of 82

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he was married to the same woman

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since 1959 okay Carol and one more thing

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which is interesting and that is he was

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only five foot ten oh he was like three

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cast well I want to get off the

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wrestling although I went to see

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wrestling matches well before you go I'd

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like to say one thing I have actually

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seen Hulk Hogan on television I mean I

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watched you wrestle with in the flesh

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I bumped into one with paramount and I

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saw him on TV

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I don't care let's go back to the book

2633
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that you're finishing Jerry tell us

2634
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:28,820
please what's new different in this book

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first of all I know it won't be a

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hundred fifty dollars in volume well

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maybe after the book is I'll be more up

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to talking about it it's just something

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that I'm trying to get away from right

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now it's really been a very difficult

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project and the deadline you were

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talking about deadlines earliest not

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been been terrible and this is just

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really hard to get the work done in the

2645
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amount of time that I have we've been

2646
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allotted in I don't know we'll see how

2647
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it turns out I just we'll just see I

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just I don't really have much to say

2649
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about it except that well I'm trying to

2650
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get it done yeah I've got some good

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people helping me like Eddie Bullard

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time to leave people like better some

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case we have some new information that I

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2663
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[Music]

2664
02:03:59,310 --> 02:03:55,899
Wow I'd be I'd be speechless wondering

2665
02:04:03,239 --> 02:03:59,320
who was gonna buy a book UFO book or any

2666
02:04:08,579 --> 02:04:03,249
book for 2946 hours and one cent

2667
02:04:11,729 --> 02:04:08,589
I wonder what the what what the one yeah

2668
02:04:14,339 --> 02:04:11,739
other sellers see all two versions okay

2669
02:04:15,810 --> 02:04:14,349
let's take a look I'm clicking on that

2670
02:04:18,389 --> 02:04:15,820
and see if we can find anything more

2671
02:04:24,389 --> 02:04:18,399
here so what is the price going to be

2672
02:04:26,369 --> 02:04:24,399
once it comes out to my and it's gonna

2673
02:04:28,829 --> 02:04:26,379
be publishes a reference book they tell

2674
02:04:32,819 --> 02:04:28,839
me that they're going to try to sell it

2675
02:04:35,129 --> 02:04:32,829
to a regular trade publisher and if that

2676
02:04:37,709 --> 02:04:35,139
happens it'll be an affordable price and

2677
02:04:39,509 --> 02:04:37,719
that's as much as I know they don't tell

2678
02:04:41,069 --> 02:04:39,519
me pretty much they just call me and

2679
02:04:46,409 --> 02:04:41,079
tell me to stay busy

2680
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:46,419
don't complain that's what I keep it

2681
02:04:53,579 --> 02:04:50,010
below fifty dollars please I don't know

2682
02:04:55,829 --> 02:04:53,589
it's the market price but if it's if it

2683
02:04:58,679 --> 02:04:55,839
turns out that there is a trade version

2684
02:05:00,060 --> 02:04:58,689
then it will be an affordable price but

2685
02:05:01,770 --> 02:05:00,070
it's being written of course for the

2686
02:05:04,919 --> 02:05:01,780
reference market which is a whole other

2687
02:05:05,849 --> 02:05:04,929
animal right that's not realistic for

2688
02:05:08,909 --> 02:05:05,859
the rest of the world

2689
02:05:10,219 --> 02:05:08,919
no it isn't I don't defend it that's

2690
02:05:12,689 --> 02:05:10,229
just the way it is

2691
02:05:13,939 --> 02:05:12,699
Kevin Randle you have another book under

2692
02:05:17,459 --> 02:05:13,949
construction

2693
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:17,469
not really I've been playing around with

2694
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:19,209
a number of books one of them is science

2695
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:21,570
fiction one of them I'm looking at the

2696
02:05:27,179 --> 02:05:24,159
project moon dust because I don't think

2697
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:27,189
we've really explored everything about

2698
02:05:32,399 --> 02:05:30,010
that this being the secret project that

2699
02:05:37,049 --> 02:05:32,409
extended beyond the end of Project Blue

2700
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:37,059
Book but I've I've stumbled onto

2701
02:05:41,790 --> 02:05:39,209
something called Operation horsefly

2702
02:05:42,899 --> 02:05:41,800
which seems to be another investigation

2703
02:05:44,959 --> 02:05:42,909
that was organized out of

2704
02:05:48,810 --> 02:05:44,969
wright-patterson Air Force Base in the

2705
02:05:50,189 --> 02:05:48,820
early 1960s that had sort of the same

2706
02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:50,199
mission of moon dust and some of the

2707
02:05:52,859 --> 02:05:51,609
other investigations so I'm just

2708
02:05:55,020 --> 02:05:52,869
following up on that and trying to

2709
02:05:57,190 --> 02:05:55,030
cobble together something that would be

2710
02:05:58,750 --> 02:05:57,200
interesting there and

2711
02:06:02,380 --> 02:05:58,760
telling myself I should write another

2712
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:02,390
science fiction novel instead well you

2713
02:06:06,940 --> 02:06:03,770
have any particular characters you'd

2714
02:06:08,980 --> 02:06:06,950
like to bring up in science fiction do

2715
02:06:12,700 --> 02:06:08,990
you mean that I've written about or sure

2716
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:12,710
or would you like to write about science

2717
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:17,690
fiction characters how about Andrew

2718
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:19,690
Wiggin

2719
02:06:29,140 --> 02:06:24,730
right do you know who that is no idea I

2720
02:06:32,380 --> 02:06:29,150
know okay Don Don you you may answer the

2721
02:06:34,750 --> 02:06:32,390
question they made a movie about Andrew

2722
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:34,760
Wiggins where he went in and he found

2723
02:06:41,950 --> 02:06:39,530
the big alien bug Queen and ended up

2724
02:06:45,970 --> 02:06:41,960
saving the race after he blew up their

2725
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:45,980
planet yes but have you read the book no

2726
02:06:52,170 --> 02:06:48,320
the book is far superior the movie

2727
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:52,180
doesn't even touch on the nuances and

2728
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:55,040
the exciting parts of what was going on

2729
02:07:00,040 --> 02:06:57,290
and specified you said do you know who

2730
02:07:02,620 --> 02:07:00,050
Andrew yes he didn't say did you read

2731
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:02,630
the book or did you see the movie I know

2732
02:07:06,970 --> 02:07:05,360
I'm now qualifying because you saw the

2733
02:07:08,350 --> 02:07:06,980
movie and I'm suggesting that the book

2734
02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:08,360
would be much better and much more

2735
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:13,310
educational to have read that's all not

2736
02:07:17,740 --> 02:07:15,050
a criticism you knew the answer and you

2737
02:07:19,330 --> 02:07:17,750
get a gold star I'll send it to you in

2738
02:07:21,370 --> 02:07:19,340
the mail rather have a chocolate chip

2739
02:07:25,780 --> 02:07:21,380
jerky okay I'll send it to you in the

2740
02:07:28,780 --> 02:07:25,790
mail never hear any science fiction book

2741
02:07:31,570 --> 02:07:28,790
or story it is gonna be almost totally

2742
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:31,580
different from the movie although I did

2743
02:07:36,430 --> 02:07:34,610
read the other day that Apple is setting

2744
02:07:40,150 --> 02:07:36,440
up this TV production thing and they're

2745
02:07:44,670 --> 02:07:40,160
going to produce a TV version online TV

2746
02:07:46,900 --> 02:07:44,680
version of foundation from Isaac Asimov

2747
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:46,910
well if you want to dwell Vinh to

2748
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:50,480
fantasy I would pick John Snow is a good

2749
02:07:57,490 --> 02:07:55,370
character yes but that we both know

2750
02:08:00,010 --> 02:07:57,500
Kevin that's not his real name

2751
02:08:02,250 --> 02:08:00,020
no that's true we do know that in

2752
02:08:05,700 --> 02:08:02,260
Daenerys Targaryen

2753
02:08:09,550 --> 02:08:05,710
so just remember winter is coming

2754
02:08:10,479 --> 02:08:09,560
winters here oh that winter is gone it's

2755
02:08:14,919 --> 02:08:10,489
will be

2756
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:14,929
that poor Oh Jerry and Jean probably

2757
02:08:17,859 --> 02:08:15,920
don't know what the hell we're talking

2758
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:17,869
about you know what I want to say this

2759
02:08:22,540 --> 02:08:20,690
we're very frankly accusing me of that

2760
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:22,550
not knowing what the hell you're talking

2761
02:08:27,970 --> 02:08:25,130
about I want to say this in all

2762
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:27,980
seriousness I don't know what the heck

2763
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:32,960
you're talking about well let's just say

2764
02:08:37,959 --> 02:08:35,090
Game of Thrones and let it's let it sit

2765
02:08:39,549 --> 02:08:37,969
there and they're gonna keep this

2766
02:08:43,029 --> 02:08:39,559
hanging for another year

2767
02:08:45,129 --> 02:08:43,039
I know I cannot believe it and George

2768
02:08:47,169 --> 02:08:45,139
Martin won't by the way I do know george

2769
02:08:48,910 --> 02:08:47,179
RR martin i was actually at his home

2770
02:08:52,209 --> 02:08:48,920
when he lived in Dubuque Iowa but that's

2771
02:08:53,739 --> 02:08:52,219
all another argument anyhow he's uh he

2772
02:08:56,410 --> 02:08:53,749
said the next couple of books he's kind

2773
02:08:59,500 --> 02:08:56,420
of like 12,000 pages written does know

2774
02:09:01,120 --> 02:08:59,510
how to break them up into books he looks

2775
02:09:02,950 --> 02:09:01,130
like one of those monster hunters

2776
02:09:12,759 --> 02:09:02,960
doesn't he's a big kind of guy with a

2777
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,769
beard beard and my god you could have

2778
02:09:16,959 --> 02:09:14,480
taken him right out of one of those

2779
02:09:18,459 --> 02:09:16,969
shows maybe he's one of those people

2780
02:09:21,069 --> 02:09:18,469
maybe he's one of those people and he

2781
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:21,079
does that just for the heck of it uh he

2782
02:09:25,899 --> 02:09:23,030
makes about 15 million dollars a year

2783
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:25,909
he's he's those rich writers a Jerry and

2784
02:09:30,029 --> 02:09:27,530
Don and I have talked about that we're

2785
02:09:33,899 --> 02:09:30,039
not among that crew he's one of them

2786
02:09:37,989 --> 02:09:33,909
okay more details about george RR martin

2787
02:09:40,029 --> 02:09:37,999
born in Bayonne New Jersey and you think

2788
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:40,039
of this big guy with the beard the Santa

2789
02:09:45,459 --> 02:09:43,010
Claus beard he's five foot six inches

2790
02:09:48,279 --> 02:09:45,469
tall I don't remember him being that

2791
02:09:49,930 --> 02:09:48,289
short I had a real nice view out the

2792
02:09:54,520 --> 02:09:49,940
window of his house in Dubuque though

2793
02:09:56,259 --> 02:09:54,530
always envious of that view that's my

2794
02:09:58,259 --> 02:09:56,269
claim to fame by the way I've met george

2795
02:10:02,830 --> 02:09:58,269
RR martin before he was george RR martin

2796
02:10:04,540 --> 02:10:02,840
books from george RR martin well for for

2797
02:10:07,419 --> 02:10:04,550
anybody that maybe if we're talking

2798
02:10:09,580 --> 02:10:07,429
about fantasy when will continue with

2799
02:10:12,489 --> 02:10:09,590
fantasy in a moment but we have these

2800
02:10:15,729 --> 02:10:12,499
announcements that are not fantasy and

2801
02:10:29,110 --> 02:10:15,739
was here was done and kevin and jerry

2802
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:33,770
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2890
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2891
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2892
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2893
02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:43,840
this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

2894
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:46,250
Coalition for freedom of information and

2895
02:14:52,450 --> 02:14:50,690
you are listening to the podcast Jerry

2896
02:14:53,260 --> 02:14:52,460
and I are wondering what these two are

2897
02:14:54,850 --> 02:14:53,270
talking about

2898
02:15:00,490 --> 02:14:54,860
I mean this show is gone completely off

2899
02:15:03,660 --> 02:15:00,500
the rails okay Don go ahead a superb

2900
02:15:07,919 --> 02:15:03,670
science fiction show currently running I

2901
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:07,929
believe it's on ABC I think it's ABC

2902
02:15:16,209 --> 02:15:12,770
called The Crossing and it takes place

2903
02:15:20,410 --> 02:15:16,219
in the Pacific Northwest where a

2904
02:15:23,410 --> 02:15:20,420
small-town Sheriff is notified that down

2905
02:15:27,899 --> 02:15:23,420
on the beach a body has washed up on

2906
02:15:31,740 --> 02:15:27,909
shore and he goes out there with his

2907
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:31,750
deputy to find out what's going on and

2908
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:37,010
by now there are over 400 bodies

2909
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:42,010
floating into Shore 47 survivors and

2910
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:45,679
that's not from a ship that went down or

2911
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:48,800
an airplane they claimed they are time

2912
02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:53,199
travelers escaping a future America

2913
02:16:00,189 --> 02:15:57,770
where they're a new race of genetically

2914
02:16:03,850 --> 02:16:00,199
superior genetically modified human

2915
02:16:07,330 --> 02:16:03,860
beings has overtaken the planet and they

2916
02:16:10,090 --> 02:16:07,340
are in the process of exterminating the

2917
02:16:12,669 --> 02:16:10,100
normals and boy I'll tell you if you

2918
02:16:15,820 --> 02:16:12,679
haven't seen that series if you're

2919
02:16:18,340 --> 02:16:15,830
talking about science fiction check it

2920
02:16:20,260 --> 02:16:18,350
out the crossing it up to this point

2921
02:16:23,770 --> 02:16:20,270
there been six episodes

2922
02:16:26,109 --> 02:16:23,780
it is a far superior and I would never

2923
02:16:29,080 --> 02:16:26,119
expect it from commercial TV but by

2924
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:29,090
golly it's there it's worth watching an

2925
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:31,250
episode or two there's a slight

2926
02:16:36,330 --> 02:16:33,290
resemblance between that and a show

2927
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:36,340
created by Brad Wright of Stargate sg-1

2928
02:16:41,650 --> 02:16:39,920
called travelers on Netflix hundreds of

2929
02:16:44,190 --> 02:16:41,660
years in the future the last surviving

2930
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humans discover a way of sending

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consciousness back through time directly

2932
02:16:50,770 --> 02:16:49,910
into people in the 21st century people

2933
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that are dying

2934
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yes I'm they on the verge of death

2935
02:16:59,410 --> 02:16:56,899
exactly that's a very good show yeah

2936
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I've got a and they bank you wait a

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whole year you binge watch it in a week

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when it's released and then you've got

2939
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another year to wait I know I've done

2940
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:09,319
that you know my experience of science

2941
02:17:15,849 --> 02:17:12,080
fiction is in my distant past but about

2942
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15 years beginning when I was about 12

2943
02:17:20,830 --> 02:17:19,219
or 13 proving the dictum the Golden Age

2944
02:17:24,129 --> 02:17:20,840
of science fiction that's when you were

2945
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13 I read science fiction by the carload

2946
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until about later 1960s so I was

2947
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watching a Stephen Colbert recently he

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was talking with somebody I don't

2949
02:17:35,530 --> 02:17:33,439
remember who it was

2950
02:17:37,570 --> 02:17:35,540
but it turned out they're both huge

2951
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science fiction fans and they were

2952
02:17:42,099 --> 02:17:39,710
actually talking about my generation

2953
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:42,109
science fiction writers like John

2954
02:17:47,649 --> 02:17:45,290
Wyndham and Henry Cutler Lester Del Ray

2955
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:47,659
people like that and I was just thrilled

2956
02:17:52,269 --> 02:17:49,969
they actually hear those names again a

2957
02:17:54,729 --> 02:17:52,279
few weeks ago I ran into somebody a

2958
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local pastor who told me that he's a

2959
02:17:59,169 --> 02:17:56,929
huge science-fiction fan

2960
02:18:02,169 --> 02:17:59,179
I started mentioning people like Lester

2961
02:18:04,929 --> 02:18:02,179
Del Rey and recut nerd and those people

2962
02:18:07,299 --> 02:18:04,939
and he had no idea what I was talking

2963
02:18:09,370 --> 02:18:07,309
about you guys know those names I assume

2964
02:18:12,189 --> 02:18:09,380
sure yeah but you didn't mention

2965
02:18:13,839 --> 02:18:12,199
Frederick Paul Frederik Pohl was another

2966
02:18:17,740 --> 02:18:13,849
there were there were a bunch of them

2967
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:17,750
we're pretty good cm Kornbluth Oh didn't

2968
02:18:22,990 --> 02:18:20,719
he write to serve man no I was Damon

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Knight oh that's right that's right yes

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you're right van canto throughout this

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space merchant but yes at tire corporate

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capitalism in the middle of the 1950's I

2973
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:34,340
am sure neither of you guys mentioned

2974
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claim one haven't got to him yet well I

2975
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:40,670
mean the conversation we haven't got to

2976
02:18:44,379 --> 02:18:42,649
Heinlein yet I wanted to get Frederick

2977
02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:44,389
Paul mentioned because he did a

2978
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wonderful book called gateway where they

2979
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:49,760
have found a cache of alien spaceships

2980
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and you dial in some kind of a address

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on it and you push a button and you take

2982
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off you don't know where you're going

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you don't know how long you're going to

2984
02:19:00,280 --> 02:18:58,790
be gone you don't know what you're going

2985
02:19:03,009 --> 02:19:00,290
to find at the other end but it's kind

2986
02:19:04,299 --> 02:19:03,019
of a exploration of our parts of the

2987
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:04,309
galaxy and it's a really a

2988
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:06,530
well-constructed book

2989
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:08,300
there's a really good book that came out

2990
02:19:13,089 --> 02:19:10,250
a couple years ago by Richard Toronto

2991
02:19:15,070 --> 02:19:13,099
called war over Lemuria and it's a dual

2992
02:19:17,259 --> 02:19:15,080
biography of Ray Palmer Richard shaver

2993
02:19:20,140 --> 02:19:17,269
which is an interesting subject in

2994
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:20,150
itself we did a show on those two yeah

2995
02:19:23,410 --> 02:19:21,679
well it was really interesting to me

2996
02:19:26,410 --> 02:19:23,420
about this book particularly interesting

2997
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:26,420
to me was Toronto's account of the

2998
02:19:31,450 --> 02:19:28,969
social world of 1940s

2999
02:19:32,919 --> 02:19:31,460
science fiction writers these guys are

3000
02:19:35,410 --> 02:19:32,929
still writing when I was reading like

3001
02:19:37,870 --> 02:19:35,420
Robert Moore William people like that

3002
02:19:39,940 --> 02:19:37,880
and it was just fascinating there it was

3003
02:19:42,459 --> 02:19:39,950
a Chicago of science fiction circle of

3004
02:19:45,100 --> 02:19:42,469
writers and editor and it's extremely

3005
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:45,110
interesting book I was just amazed at

3006
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:46,610
how interesting it was to be to learn

3007
02:19:52,030 --> 02:19:49,730
about who these guys were and what they

3008
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were like as people and what they were

3009
02:19:57,940 --> 02:19:55,520
about very interesting I have a question

3010
02:20:00,010 --> 02:19:57,950
so let's just run back to Brad Steiger

3011
02:20:02,380 --> 02:20:00,020
quickly goes directly we started with

3012
02:20:05,140 --> 02:20:02,390
him did he ever write science fiction or

3013
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horror yes tell us more you brought two

3014
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or three he brought two or three or okay

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02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:12,500
oh I see something here a title called

3016
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three tales for the hard at heart one of

3017
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the novels was called the Chindia

3018
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remember I don't remember the other one

3019
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but he won't mid-career he wrote several

3020
02:20:34,030 --> 02:20:31,760
books of fantasy horror fiction I always

3021
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wonder in a situation where of course

3022
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Kevin gets away with it if you write

3023
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science fiction people look and say well

3024
02:20:41,290 --> 02:20:40,010
you write these UFO books you write the

3025
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science fiction maybe you've forgotten

3026
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which is which you say I get away with

3027
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that I don't think you're criticized for

3028
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it oh absolutely people come out of the

3029
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woodwork to say you can't believe

3030
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anything he's he writes because you

3031
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:54,200
write science fiction Stan Freedman

3032
02:21:00,370 --> 02:20:58,880
started that of course I don't get away

3033
02:21:01,900 --> 02:21:00,380
with my answer has always been well you

3034
02:21:07,870 --> 02:21:01,910
don't make the same comment to Nick Pope

3035
02:21:09,010 --> 02:21:07,880
or Bruce Maccabee or Don Ecker or some

3036
02:21:10,780 --> 02:21:09,020
of the others you know they can write

3037
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science fiction that's okay but Kevin

3038
02:21:14,170 --> 02:21:12,590
Randle writes that you know he just

3039
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can't tell the difference between fact

3040
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and fiction you know what I'm saying

3041
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raping the bottom of the barrel forget

3042
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the most plan when

3043
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over the target pal I'm thinking your

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C's we're gonna say over the hill well I

3045
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know we're gonna be the peering in the

3046
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new movie over-the-hill gang I'm not I'm

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not either

3048
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I didn't sign the contract yeah my my

3049
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people haven't talked to their people

3050
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yet you know we haven't even done the

3051
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lunch thing so so it's just Jerry then

3052
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yeah you'll send us a postcard won't you

3053
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Jerry well I understand they have do

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they have a film department or something

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where they work with movie producers or

3056
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does he run the flower shop during the

3057
02:22:23,580 --> 02:22:21,010
day what are we talking about the person

3058
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who handles the movie production in your

3059
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city you know there's the state

3060
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university just down the road and I

3061
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think they have a film department that's

3062
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as close as we get to show you something

3063
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I'm gonna tell technology do you know

3064
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that they've made major motion pictures

3065
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using iPhones let me ask you a question

3066
02:22:59,880 --> 02:22:58,300
here Kevin I really admire this project

3067
02:23:01,800 --> 02:22:59,890
you've been doing over the last few

3068
02:23:05,870 --> 02:23:01,810
years giving a second look of these

3069
02:23:10,890 --> 02:23:05,880
older cases and checking references and

3070
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finding if things pass muster is that

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gonna help us get to some answers or at

3072
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least just get the cruft out of the way

3073
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I think it'll get mostly I'll get the

3074
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crap out of the way is what will happen

3075
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:21,521
and I think that it's important that we

3076
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follow up here we read these books and

3077
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they have footnotes and it says this

3078
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information came from blah blah blah

3079
02:23:31,470 --> 02:23:29,410
blah blah

3080
02:23:33,660 --> 02:23:31,480
well then you go back to that original

3081
02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:33,670
source or that that quoted source and

3082
02:23:35,580 --> 02:23:34,210
you find out

3083
02:23:37,290 --> 02:23:35,590
he's quoting somebody else and she's

3084
02:23:39,180 --> 02:23:37,300
quoting somebody else and you finally

3085
02:23:40,830 --> 02:23:39,190
get back to the original story and it's

3086
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:40,840
nothing like what is being reported

3087
02:23:45,960 --> 02:23:43,210
today and the best example of that is I

3088
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was looking for any case that mentioned

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a disc-shaped object prior to Kenneth

3090
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Arnold in the weeks or days before

3091
02:23:55,620 --> 02:23:53,590
because there's any number of sightings

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that led up to the Arnold case and I

3093
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:57,870
know that dick Hall talked about it and

3094
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Frank Edwards talked about of engineer

3095
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in Cedar Rapids Iowa saw 9 dis shaped

3096
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objects days before Kenneth Arnold did

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and I went back and tried to find that

3098
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case and we're gonna have the answer in

3099
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our final segment

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Kevin Randall Don Ecker Jean Steinberg

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02:28:13,740 --> 02:28:11,980
repeater I tend to repeat fred has a

3192
02:28:14,310 --> 02:28:13,750
business I do have a business and a

3193
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:14,320
problem

3194
02:28:18,210 --> 02:28:16,330
Fred repeats the same tired advertising

3195
02:28:20,340 --> 02:28:18,220
over and over and now it doesn't work

3196
02:28:22,890 --> 02:28:20,350
over and over but fred is about to see a

3197
02:28:24,630 --> 02:28:22,900
vision I'm seeing a vision advertising

3198
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:24,640
on the Genesis communications network is

3199
02:28:27,960 --> 02:28:26,110
the smart way for Fred to reach his

3200
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,970
potential customers with the most

3201
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:29,680
affordable national advertising rates

3202
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:32,170
period get started today with GCN the

3203
02:28:45,900 --> 02:28:33,730
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3204
02:28:47,580 --> 02:28:45,910
just email advertised at GCN live.com hi

3205
02:28:49,530 --> 02:28:47,590
this is Bryce label I'm the producer of

3206
02:28:51,450 --> 02:28:49,540
dark skies the co-author of AD after

3207
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:51,460
disclosure and you are listening to the

3208
02:28:55,960 --> 02:28:54,610
podcast the gold standard of paranormal

3209
02:29:02,359 --> 02:28:55,970
radio

3210
02:29:05,250 --> 02:29:02,369
[Music]

3211
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:05,260
so we have a case here that may have

3212
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:06,880
been similar to Arnold's occurring

3213
02:29:12,750 --> 02:29:10,720
before June 24 1947 and I look for that

3214
02:29:15,420 --> 02:29:12,760
too by the way I look for references and

3215
02:29:17,490 --> 02:29:15,430
I never really found one that I could

3216
02:29:19,080 --> 02:29:17,500
confirm so tell us what Herron here's a

3217
02:29:21,660 --> 02:29:19,090
problem with it I found the original

3218
02:29:25,050 --> 02:29:21,670
story eventually it wasn't in Cedar

3219
02:29:27,210 --> 02:29:25,060
Rapids Iowa it was in Peoria Illinois it

3220
02:29:29,250 --> 02:29:27,220
wasn't reported prior to our know there

3221
02:29:30,660 --> 02:29:29,260
was reported days after Arnold the guy

3222
02:29:33,779 --> 02:29:30,670
said he saw it on the same afternoon

3223
02:29:36,300 --> 02:29:33,789
that Arnold reported his his case I was

3224
02:29:39,359 --> 02:29:36,310
looking for something that was published

3225
02:29:43,139 --> 02:29:39,369
or we could be documented prior to June

3226
02:29:46,050 --> 02:29:43,149
24 1947 talking about a dis same object

3227
02:29:48,029 --> 02:29:46,060
because the skeptical argument is the

3228
02:29:50,219 --> 02:29:48,039
misinterpretation of Arnold's words

3229
02:29:52,380 --> 02:29:50,229
about the saucer is why we were seeing

3230
02:29:55,229 --> 02:29:52,390
flying saucers dis shaped objects and

3231
02:29:57,630 --> 02:29:55,239
this one dick Hall quotes it in his UFO

3232
02:30:00,300 --> 02:29:57,640
evidence he related it to Frank Edwards

3233
02:30:02,849 --> 02:30:00,310
in one of his books I found that source

3234
02:30:04,469 --> 02:30:02,859
and eventually got back to looking at

3235
02:30:05,969 --> 02:30:04,479
the Cedar Rapids Gazette going for the

3236
02:30:07,559 --> 02:30:05,979
newspaper looking for the story and I

3237
02:30:09,389 --> 02:30:07,569
finally found it and it had nothing to

3238
02:30:11,969 --> 02:30:09,399
do with what's being being published

3239
02:30:15,179 --> 02:30:11,979
so the point simply is I think that we

3240
02:30:17,639 --> 02:30:15,189
need to do that so that we're not caught

3241
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:17,649
with all this nonsense being talked

3242
02:30:22,200 --> 02:30:20,050
about we can get back to the original

3243
02:30:25,050 --> 02:30:22,210
story I'm not saying the engineer didn't

3244
02:30:27,389 --> 02:30:25,060
see the nine districts I'm merely saying

3245
02:30:29,399 --> 02:30:27,399
that the information published about it

3246
02:30:31,590 --> 02:30:29,409
has been inaccurate and now we have an

3247
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:31,600
accurate representation of exactly what

3248
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:33,369
what had happened so I think I think

3249
02:30:36,630 --> 02:30:34,720
that's an important thing to do is

3250
02:30:38,490 --> 02:30:36,640
follow what follow up on that is and

3251
02:30:41,460 --> 02:30:38,500
it's something that I do periodically

3252
02:30:44,370 --> 02:30:41,470
call chasing footnotes the latest one is

3253
02:30:46,740 --> 02:30:44,380
on the coin case and it was a statement

3254
02:30:48,750 --> 02:30:46,750
that Richard Dolan wrote about how they

3255
02:30:50,279 --> 02:30:48,760
had checked with the Mansfield Airport

3256
02:30:51,750 --> 02:30:50,289
and found no other traffic in the area

3257
02:30:54,719 --> 02:30:51,760
meaning no other aircraft in the area

3258
02:30:57,029 --> 02:30:54,729
which means coins helicopter was all by

3259
02:30:59,969 --> 02:30:57,039
itself and I found that in Dolan's book

3260
02:31:02,160 --> 02:30:59,979
and he related it to Jenny Randall's who

3261
02:31:03,719 --> 02:31:02,170
related at the Jenny's Edmond I haven't

3262
02:31:06,029 --> 02:31:03,729
found the quote from Jenny Zeidman but

3263
02:31:07,950 --> 02:31:06,039
talking to the air crewmen that I talked

3264
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,960
to yesterday the intersect

3265
02:31:12,540 --> 02:31:10,479
I mentioned that casually and you know

3266
02:31:15,140 --> 02:31:12,550
his whole voice and timbre changes yeah

3267
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:15,150
we went out and looked about that

3268
02:31:17,810 --> 02:31:16,740
and we couldn't find anything in the

3269
02:31:20,091 --> 02:31:17,820
days that followed that there was

3270
02:31:22,910 --> 02:31:20,101
something in the air file at that time

3271
02:31:25,070 --> 02:31:22,920
so I it's it's following that story back

3272
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:25,080
to an original source the guy who was in

3273
02:31:30,140 --> 02:31:27,120
the aircraft is now telling me that that

3274
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:30,150
story so it becomes much more credible

3275
02:31:34,250 --> 02:31:32,160
than when we're looking at Richard Dolan

3276
02:31:36,610 --> 02:31:34,260
going to Jenny Randall's going to Jenny

3277
02:31:39,020 --> 02:31:36,620
site but we've got the actual guy saying

3278
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:39,030
well in that case your course it makes

3279
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:40,800
it far more credible in your book

3280
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:43,050
Roswell in the 21st century which i

3281
02:31:48,500 --> 02:31:44,970
think is an absolutely essential book

3282
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:48,510
that everybody could read one thing that

3283
02:31:53,780 --> 02:31:50,730
was really interesting is the way you

3284
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:53,790
trace the evolution stories about the

3285
02:31:57,770 --> 02:31:56,610
bodies at Roswell that was just

3286
02:32:01,850 --> 02:31:57,780
jaw-dropping

3287
02:32:03,740 --> 02:32:01,860
a real tour de force really nailed the

3288
02:32:05,780 --> 02:32:03,750
argument I thought that was just

3289
02:32:07,850 --> 02:32:05,790
incredible that you did that the way and

3290
02:32:09,500 --> 02:32:07,860
the way you did g-gary

3291
02:32:12,410 --> 02:32:09,510
try to say something nice about the book

3292
02:32:14,270 --> 02:32:12,420
well yeah I appreciate the kind words I

3293
02:32:16,011 --> 02:32:14,280
thought and that's and that's kind of

3294
02:32:18,650 --> 02:32:16,021
what we were talking about here is I

3295
02:32:20,810 --> 02:32:18,660
wanted to look at the case in a

3296
02:32:22,820 --> 02:32:20,820
dispassionate light the way it exists

3297
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:22,830
taking all the nonsense out of it and

3298
02:32:25,940 --> 02:32:24,210
here's where the nonsense came from in

3299
02:32:28,130 --> 02:32:25,950
Harris how we can eliminate that and we

3300
02:32:29,540 --> 02:32:28,140
get to the bottom line on the Roswell

3301
02:32:31,970 --> 02:32:29,550
case unfortunately we're left with

3302
02:32:34,011 --> 02:32:31,980
testimony we have no real documentation

3303
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,021
we have no physical evidence we just

3304
02:32:38,780 --> 02:32:36,720
have the testimony of the people that we

3305
02:32:42,011 --> 02:32:38,790
believe to be credible and there's many

3306
02:32:44,780 --> 02:32:42,021
many who are not credible that have been

3307
02:32:46,370 --> 02:32:44,790
touted in all the books and the TV

3308
02:32:48,980 --> 02:32:46,380
programs and everything since Roswell

3309
02:32:51,650 --> 02:32:48,990
exploded on the scene you see this is

3310
02:32:54,140 --> 02:32:51,660
what we run into a problem we have a lot

3311
02:32:56,180 --> 02:32:54,150
of people involved in selling Roswell

3312
02:32:58,551 --> 02:32:56,190
and I'll say that and may write their

3313
02:32:59,870 --> 02:32:58,561
books and they always have sequel of

3314
02:33:00,440 --> 02:32:59,880
course you know we know in the movie

3315
02:33:03,020 --> 02:33:00,450
business

3316
02:33:04,610 --> 02:33:03,030
sequels sometimes die out you know

3317
02:33:06,410 --> 02:33:04,620
except for certain comic book movies

3318
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:06,420
where they make more money at the box

3319
02:33:09,380 --> 02:33:06,960
office

3320
02:33:11,540 --> 02:33:09,390
sequels in general lose interest the

3321
02:33:13,700 --> 02:33:11,550
first book is okay the second may be a

3322
02:33:16,011 --> 02:33:13,710
little bit less by the time I have the

3323
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:16,021
tenth version then nobody cares anymore

3324
02:33:21,290 --> 02:33:18,570
and they are repeating the same old

3325
02:33:23,870 --> 02:33:21,300
story over and over again they can't be

3326
02:33:25,940 --> 02:33:23,880
persuaded they live what they're saying

3327
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:25,950
is simply not confirmed and I'm not

3328
02:33:29,060 --> 02:33:27,210
going to mention the stand in Freedman

3329
02:33:31,700 --> 02:33:29,070
because of the fact that he's retired

3330
02:33:33,860 --> 02:33:31,710
from the lecture circuit so I'll respect

3331
02:33:36,380 --> 02:33:33,870
that but even in the interview we did

3332
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:36,390
with him a few weeks ago we got him to

3333
02:33:39,050 --> 02:33:38,130
talk about some other things about his

3334
02:33:41,570 --> 02:33:39,060
personal life

3335
02:33:43,220 --> 02:33:41,580
but whenever he went back to his UFO as

3336
02:33:45,740 --> 02:33:43,230
it was just repeating the same old stuff

3337
02:33:48,380 --> 02:33:45,750
I think that what we have to do is look

3338
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:48,390
at the evolution of the story and see

3339
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:49,950
what we can understand about it but we

3340
02:33:54,261 --> 02:33:51,810
also have to find out what generated

3341
02:33:57,110 --> 02:33:54,271
that story and where it came about you

3342
02:33:59,540 --> 02:33:57,120
know Stan is a defender of the Roswell

3343
02:34:01,640 --> 02:33:59,550
case he won't look at it from any other

3344
02:34:04,310 --> 02:34:01,650
point of view the best example I can

3345
02:34:07,070 --> 02:34:04,320
think of is the mj-12 document the del

3346
02:34:08,900 --> 02:34:07,080
real UFO crash I actually did some

3347
02:34:10,400 --> 02:34:08,910
research into the guy who tell told that

3348
02:34:11,870 --> 02:34:10,410
story a fellow named Willingham turned

3349
02:34:13,580 --> 02:34:11,880
out that he wasn't an Air Force colonel

3350
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:13,590
as he claimed he wasn't a fighter pilot

3351
02:34:20,890 --> 02:34:17,010
as he claimed the story evolved from the

3352
02:34:23,450 --> 02:34:20,900
crash happening in 1948 to 1950 to 1954

3353
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:23,460
this story is mentioned in the eyes now

3354
02:34:28,220 --> 02:34:26,000
our briefing document of mj-12 well if

3355
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:28,230
Willingham is not a credible source and

3356
02:34:32,390 --> 02:34:30,210
the story has been evolving over the

3357
02:34:34,520 --> 02:34:32,400
years then doesn't that generate

3358
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:34,530
problems isn't that a fatal flaw in the

3359
02:34:39,380 --> 02:34:36,690
eyes now a briefing document and what

3360
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:39,390
Stan said to me at one point was well I

3361
02:34:42,860 --> 02:34:40,890
believe you're right about Willingham

3362
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:42,870
but you're not right about mj-12 you

3363
02:34:46,670 --> 02:34:44,490
know at this point there's no more their

3364
02:34:49,550 --> 02:34:46,680
argument they made we've proven that

3365
02:34:51,860 --> 02:34:49,560
part of the story it why did mj-12 is a

3366
02:34:53,660 --> 02:34:51,870
hoax but that still doesn't drive the

3367
02:34:56,300 --> 02:34:53,670
stake through the heart well you know

3368
02:34:58,220 --> 02:34:56,310
Rick Doty said that mj-12

3369
02:35:01,070 --> 02:34:58,230
force can you believe Rick Doty but he

3370
02:35:04,690 --> 02:35:01,080
told us on the parent cast that it was

3371
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:04,700
based on another document that was real

3372
02:35:09,350 --> 02:35:07,290
if you prove some document is fought

3373
02:35:11,420 --> 02:35:09,360
Rajani says well this is something that

3374
02:35:12,830 --> 02:35:11,430
was was wrong but we've got a real

3375
02:35:14,990 --> 02:35:12,840
document here we'll show you at some

3376
02:35:17,180 --> 02:35:15,000
time if you live long enough or you give

3377
02:35:20,060 --> 02:35:17,190
us enough of gold here's the thing about

3378
02:35:23,420 --> 02:35:20,070
Doty okay and I'll say this openly

3379
02:35:25,850 --> 02:35:23,430
freely and and anything else you want to

3380
02:35:29,210 --> 02:35:25,860
hear when I was a criminal investigator

3381
02:35:32,360 --> 02:35:29,220
and we often use confidential informants

3382
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:32,370
on various cases and the bottom line was

3383
02:35:41,220 --> 02:35:38,130
that CI had to be 1,000% correct on any

3384
02:35:44,730 --> 02:35:41,230
information we we received from him

3385
02:35:47,881 --> 02:35:44,740
we ever capped them lying even once that

3386
02:35:50,820 --> 02:35:47,891
guy was persona non grata anything else

3387
02:35:53,640 --> 02:35:50,830
and he had a microscope pushed up his

3388
02:35:57,780 --> 02:35:53,650
bum for anything he told us and with

3389
02:36:01,230 --> 02:35:57,790
Dodie you have years of prevarications

3390
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:01,240
coming from this guy I just see nothing

3391
02:36:05,671 --> 02:36:04,570
about him or his stories that can be

3392
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:05,681
held up to light

3393
02:36:10,770 --> 02:36:08,610
don't tell us things in such a calm

3394
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:10,780
collected way tell us what you really

3395
02:36:15,841 --> 02:36:13,210
think when you listen to Rick Doty it's

3396
02:36:18,511 --> 02:36:15,851
a mixture of fact and fantasy and who

3397
02:36:20,551 --> 02:36:18,521
knows what especially the who knows what

3398
02:36:22,620 --> 02:36:20,561
Kevin Randle tell our listeners if they

3399
02:36:25,020 --> 02:36:22,630
want to know more about the things you

3400
02:36:28,350 --> 02:36:25,030
do where do they check out if they can

3401
02:36:30,301 --> 02:36:28,360
go to a blog called WW Kevin Ranelagh

3402
02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:30,311
spot com the name of it is a different

3403
02:36:35,160 --> 02:36:32,650
perspective either way I'll get you to

3404
02:36:37,171 --> 02:36:35,170
it the book on socorro encounter in the

3405
02:36:39,360 --> 02:36:37,181
desert came out just a few months ago

3406
02:36:41,370 --> 02:36:39,370
you can get it at Amazon or it's your

3407
02:36:43,051 --> 02:36:41,380
local bookstore and if you like the book

3408
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:43,061
put a review up because that always

3409
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:46,210
helps a little bit Jerry Clark you don't

3410
02:37:02,910 --> 02:37:00,540
UFO encyclopedia third edition right Don

3411
02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:02,920
Ecker where do we find you Dark Matters

3412
02:37:09,930 --> 02:37:06,130
Radio which is my show airs both Friday

3413
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:09,940
and Saturday evenings the spot to go to

3414
02:37:20,131 --> 02:37:15,610
is kg are a radio calm you can find me

3415
02:37:22,171 --> 02:37:20,141
on Facebook and also on Facebook is the

3416
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:22,181
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3417
02:37:28,261 --> 02:37:25,330
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3418
02:37:30,631 --> 02:37:28,271
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3419
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:30,641
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3420
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3421
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3422
02:37:39,480 --> 02:37:37,000
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3423
02:37:40,860 --> 02:37:39,490
Twitter account hacked so I know about

3424
02:37:43,740 --> 02:37:40,870
all that stuff and I use what they call

3425
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:43,750
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3426
02:37:47,310 --> 02:37:45,760
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3427
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3428
02:37:53,070 --> 02:37:51,040
live a major-general Earl Matthews who

3429
02:37:53,939 --> 02:37:53,080
was from the air force by the way but he

3430
02:37:56,609 --> 02:37:53,949
couldn't tell me

3431
02:37:59,159 --> 02:37:56,619
about Roswell asked seriously we also

3432
02:38:02,670 --> 02:37:59,169
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3437
02:38:14,279 --> 02:38:11,739
Ecker and Kevin Randall's sound perfect

3438
02:38:16,349 --> 02:38:14,289
and I just sound the same how does that

3439
02:38:17,969 --> 02:38:16,359
happen to have them figure it out we

3440
02:38:19,859 --> 02:38:17,979
also offered the after the parrot cast

3441
02:38:21,809 --> 02:38:19,869
podcast where you never know what's

3442
02:38:22,889 --> 02:38:21,819
gonna happen next and guess what we

3443
02:38:26,159 --> 02:38:22,899
don't either

3444
02:38:28,429 --> 02:38:26,169
how about them apples okay any case I

3445
02:38:32,729 --> 02:38:28,439
really appreciate you guys showing up

3446
02:38:35,219 --> 02:38:32,739
Kevin Randle Jerry Clark Don Ecker thank

3447
02:38:37,679 --> 02:38:35,229
you all for joining us this week on the

3448
02:38:43,380 --> 02:38:37,689
power cast and honoring our good friend

3449
02:38:54,121 --> 02:38:43,390
Brad stager good night and have a great

3450
02:39:00,031 --> 02:38:57,121
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3451
02:39:03,020 --> 02:39:00,041
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3452
02:39:06,751 --> 02:39:03,030
presentation of making the impossible